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Old 12-18-2012   #21
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wow, must spread rep - laughing so hard i'm crying.
Yep, as much as I'm not a fan of the Rex Ryan/Mark Sanchez era New York Jets, I will forever be indebted to them that the word "Buttfumble" is now part of our vocabulary.
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too true. rosencopter and outaboundsky are great, but there will never be a better play in football than buttfumble.
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It wasn't that long ago when there were comments on this very forum about Kubiak taking such a long time to put a winning team on the field, and the "fiery" Rex Ryan taking his team to the playoffs in only one year.

I make it a point to remember stuff like that.
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too true. rosencopter and outaboundsky are great, but there will never be a better play in football than buttfumble.
What if the lineman was turned completely around and Sanchez trips to his knee falling forward? hahaha
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Eh, I don't think Rex Ryan is the problem in New Jersey, their defense is still quite good without Revis. They are 8th overall in total yards against, but 20th in points against. I think the biggest issue with the team is 22 takeaways on defense, which is about 15th in the league, and 33 giveaways on offense (bottom 5 in the league). You can't win games consistently if the offense consistently gives the ball away.

Their offense is atrocious, and that team has more giveaways than most of the league. Their QBs are all terrible, they don't have a half-way decent RT, their WRs suck (Holmes is extremely overrated) and they can't sustain drives. They need a reboot on the offensive side of the ball, but they can't do it now that Sanchez has a bunch of guaranteed money coming his way. I expect Rex Ryan to get another year, but they need to find a way to replace their QB or draft a new one if they want to be competitive.
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What if the lineman was turned completely around and Sanchez trips to his knee falling forward? hahaha
i'm afraid to know why your mind went there lol.
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i'm afraid to know why your mind went there lol.
I got flashback of Sue Sue kicking Schaub's jewelry box.

Just a week after that, I saw a guy jumping with hands stretched out trying to block a punt and... LOL

I thought that was funny as he'll, too.
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It wasn't that long ago when there were comments on this very forum about Kubiak taking such a long time to put a winning team on the field, and the "fiery" Rex Ryan taking his team to the playoffs in only one year.

I make it a point to remember stuff like that.
How many AFC championships has Gary made it too? Rex made it to two with Buttfumble as his QB. That is truly amazing.

Revis going down and Sancez regressing is why the Jets are where they are. Imagine the Texans without Watt and having Sanchez as their QB. (I shudder at the thought.

See the I remember game cuts both ways. Would you settle for 2 AFC championship games in the next 2 yrs? For me it's SB or bust. Hopefully Gary will have learned from his past mistakes and can lead the team he built there. But until he does I cant say that I fully trust him. Especially since his team seems to crap the bed every time it plays a national TV game.
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It wasn't that long ago when there were comments on this very forum about Kubiak taking such a long time to put a winning team on the field, and the "fiery" Rex Ryan taking his team to the playoffs in only one year.

I make it a point to remember stuff like that.
Rex still has two AFC Championship games with an inept QB. We have a single play-off win.

I think the jury is still out on Kubiak being the better of the two. They're probably both inept..... in that the game is played to win the Super Bowl.

I started this thread, because I think Gary has done a much better job building this team & our future looks so much brighter. But Rex still accomplished more with less.

I think a Super Bowl appearance would about do it though & I like our chances.
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I watched part of the 1st half of that game. It was like watching a pre-season game.
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Revis going down and Sancez regressing is why the Jets are where they are. Imagine the Texans without Watt and having Sanchez as their QB. (I shudder at the thought.
How is Rex having a QB that regresses an excuse, and for Kubiak having a defense that sucks a cardinal sin?
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How is Rex having a QB that regresses an excuse, and for Kubiak having a defense that sucks a cardinal sin?
Cause Kubiak sucks regardless.
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Rex Ryan sucks at establishing a credible offense and Gary Kubiak was terrible at establishing a credible defense until Wade Phillips came to town. I think they're pretty much equals.
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How many AFC championships has Gary made it too? Rex made it to two with Buttfumble as his QB. That is truly amazing.

Revis going down and Sancez regressing is why the Jets are where they are. Imagine the Texans without Watt and having Sanchez as their QB. (I shudder at the thought.

See the I remember game cuts both ways. Would you settle for 2 AFC championship games in the next 2 yrs? For me it's SB or bust. Hopefully Gary will have learned from his past mistakes and can lead the team he built there. But until he does I cant say that I fully trust him. Especially since his team seems to crap the bed every time it plays a national TV game.
SteelB. I just love debating with you because it is so easy to point out the flaws in your argument. We have been without Cushing and have had a very limited to non existent Jonathan Joseph. Let's not compare Oranges to rotten apples, please
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Eh, I don't think Rex Ryan is the problem in New Jersey, their defense is still quite good without Revis. They are 8th overall in total yards against, but 20th in points against. I think the biggest issue with the team is 22 takeaways on defense, which is about 15th in the league, and 33 giveaways on offense (bottom 5 in the league). You can't win games consistently if the offense consistently gives the ball away.

Their offense is atrocious, and that team has more giveaways than most of the league. Their QBs are all terrible, they don't have a half-way decent RT, their WRs suck (Holmes is extremely overrated) and they can't sustain drives. They need a reboot on the offensive side of the ball, but they can't do it now that Sanchez has a bunch of guaranteed money coming his way. I expect Rex Ryan to get another year, but they need to find a way to replace their QB or draft a new one if they want to be competitive.
I agree with you that Rex really isn't the problem and I feel that their GM is the real issue.
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Eh, I don't think Rex Ryan is the problem in New Jersey, their defense is still quite good without Revis. They are 8th overall in total yards against, but 20th in points against. I think the biggest issue with the team is 22 takeaways on defense, which is about 15th in the league, and 33 giveaways on offense (bottom 5 in the league). You can't win games consistently if the offense consistently gives the ball away.

Their offense is atrocious, and that team has more giveaways than most of the league. Their QBs are all terrible, they don't have a half-way decent RT, their WRs suck (Holmes is extremely overrated) and they can't sustain drives. They need a reboot on the offensive side of the ball, but they can't do it now that Sanchez has a bunch of guaranteed money coming his way. I expect Rex Ryan to get another year, but they need to find a way to replace their QB or draft a new one if they want to be competitive.
Seems kind of similar to the pre-Wade era of the Texans.

Offense was electric but defense was atrocious. In the Jets case, the defense is solid but the offense is crap. It all falls on Rex's shoulders as he is the head coach.
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I agree with you that Rex really isn't the problem and I feel that their GM is the real issue.
The GM knows exactly what he's doing...................he's gathering all the pieces for the 2013 "America's Got No Talent" show.
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How is Rex having a QB that regresses an excuse, and for Kubiak having a defense that sucks a cardinal sin?
Well Kubiak has at least changed the guys in charge of the defense after they sucked (Although Richard Smith should've never ever ever have gotten a 2nd or 3rd year), whereas Ryan has stuck with Sanchez welllllllll past the expiration date.

Rex may not be the problem in NYJ, but whomever the person is saying "Keep starting Sanchez" is the problem, and they must hate the Jets as an organization.
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Seems kind of similar to the pre-Wade era of the Texans.
I can agree with that, and I think that is the larger issue with the Jets. They have not offensive guru to come in and help them. Sparano has been an abysmal hire. Did anyone else watch the game last night? It was the most dumbfounding offensive playcalling I have ever seen.

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This I don't agree with. I don't believe Rex had much to do with trading for Tebow and not reading his contract details before executing it (wasting valuable cap space). I don't think Rex had much to do with extending Sanchez, I don't think he had much to do with hiring Sparano either. I see Tannenbaum as the main reason why the Jets suck on offense, because he can't identify offensive talent for the field or the sidelines. I really don't think Rex is their go-to guy for selecting offensive players, and I think he gets a pass because of this. This organization seems to be run by the GM, not the head coach, which is in stark contrast to my perception of how the Texans organization is run. Personally, I'd give Ryan another year or two, and bring in a new GM and OC.
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