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Old 11-22-2012   #21
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Last year, Jim Harbaugh challenged a scoring play and was penalized. Jim Schwartz was seen laughing on the sidelines. After the game (a Niner win), Harbaugh gave Schwartz "the handshake" that led to a near brawl.

Who's laughing now, Jim?
Schwartz is the King of all d-bags.

This was sooooo perfect that it happened to him. It cost his team the game.

It has made my day.
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I'm a big fan of the Kharma concept.

I hate it for Lion fans, as replay surely shows the Texans were "Gifted" a Touchdown.

But, I couldn't wish the outcome of that play on any other team with a player not Named SUH!!! I was concerned with N'DonkeyKong before the game and the nut-shot on Schaub was the epitome of what that player is about. Schwartz alows his players to THUG all season long, and I'm glad to see them suffer some bad kharma.

If I was Kubiak, rather than waste the 15 yd penalty on the kickoff for a sure touchback, I'd have attempted an onside kick "unsuspecting" knowing that a Lion recovery would still be recoverable in the terms of field position.
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Yeah, it was a rule apparently, but it does seem silly to be given a 15 yard penalty, but not preserve the integrity of the game by reviewing the play, which would have most likely showed that Forsett was down.

I mean, in the end, the integrity of the game is what is important here, right?

Just ridiculous.
Agreed. What a-hole made that rule? You throw the flag at the wrong time and this is such a horrible imposition that you get robbed of the replay? Absurd.
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Holy crap, this post was brilliant:

Suh just wanted Schaub to know what if feels like to be a Lions fan.
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Why does the rule exist in the first place? I've been trying to think of a reason and can't.


Also good job by Forsett playing to the whistle!
Supposedly, and this is all I got, it came about because coaches found a small loophole. They were using the red flag to quick-challenge a play they would not have otherwise challenged in order to get a makeshift time out.

Take with a grain of salt, but that's how I understand the rule's origin.
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Screw them!!

We were all taught as little kids to play until you hear the whistle - Shame on the Lions Players.

Coaches need to be held accountable for knowing the rules. Shame on Jim Schwartz.

Have you noticed that Kubiak calls a ref. over to discuss the options before throwing a challenge flag?? That's why!
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Screw them!!

We were all taught as little kids to play until you hear the whistle - Shame on the Lions Players.

Coaches need to be held accountable for knowing the rules. Shame on Jim Schwartz.

Have you noticed that Kubiak calls a ref. over to discuss the options before throwing a challenge flag?? That's why!
If I remember correctly Kubiak was called for this same infraction last season and now makes sure to talk it over first.
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Supposedly, and this is all I got, it came about because coaches found a small loophole. They were using the red flag to quick-challenge a play they would not have otherwise challenged in order to get a makeshift time out.

Take with a grain of salt, but that's how I understand the rule's origin.
Ah. Thanks! That makes some sense. Seems like over kill, but this is the nfl.
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If I remember correctly Kubiak was called for this same infraction last season and now makes sure to talk it over first.
I dont think this rule existed last year. I can't swear to that, but.....
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Supposedly, and this is all I got, it came about because coaches found a small loophole. They were using the red flag to quick-challenge a play they would not have otherwise challenged in order to get a makeshift time out.

Take with a grain of salt, but that's how I understand the rule's origin.
Thats the exact reason that I think this rule was implemented this season.
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Supposedly, and this is all I got, it came about because coaches found a small loophole. They were using the red flag to quick-challenge a play they would not have otherwise challenged in order to get a makeshift time out.

Take with a grain of salt, but that's how I understand the rule's origin.
Interesting. I never really thought of this before, but does that mean you can throw the red flag if you're out of timeouts? I would think you'd have to have at least one timeout left in order to be able to use the red flag....
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Supposedly, and this is all I got, it game about because coaches found a small loophole. They were using the red flag to quik-challenge a play they would not have otherwise challenged in order to get a makeshift time out.

Take with a grain of salt, but that's how I understand the rule's origin.
Well, whatever the reason, it needs to be clarified.

Integrity of the game is just that. Integrity of the game. Did anyone actually see any integrity here.

Was it a touchdown? No, it wasn't. Was there an instant replay to correct the call? No, there wasn't.

Either you have instant replay, or you don't. It's that simple.
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We shouldn't lose a wink of sleep over this.

It is a stupid rule: do we need something so punitive for the scourge that is an improperly-thrown flag? But it is the rule, and NFL coaches get paid a lot of money to know them. Of course, judging by the way Suh plays, it is quite clear that Schwartz doesn't have much use for rules.

Nobody asks the Patriots to give back their post Tuck Rule Super Bowl. And I could care less that some folks will think the win is tarnished. They can have the taint. We'll take the win.
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Interesting. I never really thought of this before, but does that mean you can throw the red flag if you're out of timeouts? I would think you'd have to have at least one timeout left in order to be able to use the red flag....
Yep, you can't throw the red flag if you're out of timeouts.
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Agreed. What a-hole made that rule? You throw the flag at the wrong time and this is such a horrible imposition that you get robbed of the replay? Absurd.

I think it makes perfect sense. The rule seems designed to keep game delays to a minimum. Every time some coach tosses a red flag out onto the field everything has to stop and the referee has to go over and find out what he's challenging and stuff just stops while they sort that out. Players get a breather, I don't know can substitutions be made? I see the point of the rule. No throwing a flag out there to stop the game to keep your defense from being run off the field or to get any sort of advantage. There are enough delays and time-outs in professional football as it is. Too many really.

So if you throw the flag out at an inappropriate time or for a play that can't be reviewed you get penalized. Part of that penalty is that you don't get the benefit of the review you demanded.

It's not like we haven't all known that all scoring plays are reviewed by the replay official. They've been saying that ever since preseason. Schwartz is an imbecile and deserved what he got. I feel for their fans and some of their players (Suh, not so much) but that's the breaks. Thorn had that signature (maybe he still does) about life being hard but being harder if you're stupid.

Jim Schwartz knows a thing or two about that now.

The NFL is very clear about it. The Rule
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Yep, you can't throw the red flag if you're out of timeouts.
OK, so I'm still confused then. Was Detroit penalized because they were out of timeouts or simply because it was an inappropriate time to throw the red flag?
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I suppose I can see that. But does it really delay the game that much? I would think the ref could just tell the coach he can't do that and keep the clock running. If the confusion results in a delay of game, then that's where the penalty is applied.
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