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Old 06-06-2005   #1
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Maybe since the Browns have NO QB we could give Banks for that Linemen that wants out.
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Old 06-06-2005   #2
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If you mean Verba then no thanks. Besides the Browns have an experienced NFL QB in Dilfer. They don't really need another aging veteran QB on their roster. Plus they have their young rookie QB in Charlie Frye. I doubt they'd want Banks.
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A better way to deal with this question is to ask "What happens to BJ Symons?"

If Ragone beats out Banks for the #2 spot, which he should have every opportunity to do, then the question left is who is #3. BJ Symons is not eligible for the practice squad, and it seems very unlikely that the Texans carry four quarterbacks without one of the four being on the practice squad.

Do the Texans want to make a long-term commitment to BJ Symons at the expense of waiving Tony Banks? That seems ulikely to me. Banks is actually a very good backup quarterback. Symons was the product of a pass-happy, run and shoot type offense at Texas Tech. His suitabilty to captain an NFL offense is uncertain at best. He has no NFL experience. His performance in the NFL Europe was not worthy of note.

The guy I continue to wonder about is Chance Mock. Last I heard, he was trying out to make the Texans team, but had not been offered a contract. We have not heard a lot about him in the last few weeks. Granted, with low-contact types of drills being conducted in the coaching sessions, and having two QB's overseas playing in NFL Europe, it seems smart to wait before making a decision here. However, if it had not been for Vince Young starting at UT last year, Chance would have been the starting QB at Texas. His performance prior to last year was very strong. Stronger than BJ Symons, in my opinion. Also, as a first year player in the NFL, Chance would be eligible to be on the practice squad this season. Maybe we should give Chance a chance.

Otherwise, I suspect we go into the regular season with:

1. David Carr
2. Dave Ragone
3. Tony Banks
4. Waived - BJ Symons.

If Chance looks like he has the makings of an NFL QB, then it would be very exciting to see the Texans carry him on the practice squad as the #4 QB.
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Why can't Symons be on the practice squad?
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Symons was on the practice squad last year. A players's eligibility to be on the practice squad is limited to their first year in the league.
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BJ Symons is not eligible for the practice squad,
BJ was not on the active roster for 9 or more games last year so he is still eligible for the practice squad this year. Eligibility is not limited to the 1st year in the league. You can't have an accrued season in the league.
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I think you gotta let BJ go. Banks has proven himself to this team, and if he gets beat out of #2 he will only be with our club for 1 year anyhow. You can always find a 3rd string QB in the off season.
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BJ was not on the active roster for 9 or more games last year so he is still eligible for the practice squad this year. Eligibility is not limited to the 1st year in the league. You can't have an accrued season in the league.
I had forgotten that BJ Symons had spent most of last year on injured reserve. If he has not been on the team for a year, according to league rules, then I guess he would still technically be a rookie. I stand corrected. Thanks for your insight.

In any case, the question still stands about whether the Texans want to make a long-term commitment to BJ Symons. I believe this is an open issue, and I would not be the tiniest bit surprised to see BJ Symons waived and Chance Mock make the team as the #4 QB.
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i think you are mistaken i think bj with his torn acl last season was placed on the pup list then put on the ir list...i don't think he was ever on the practice squad...i might be wrong but why would the texans put a guy on the practice squad who wasn't able to do any running
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as for chance mock...the guy got the shaft in college...but you can't give him too much of a chance if he couldn't beat out vince young and then refused to go to a DII school to get some playing time...the guy could have easily transfered to SFA or Texas State like dustin long did and started for a year...so as much as i wish him the best he did nothing this past year to help himself
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If we can trade him rather than release him, that would be nice.
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A better way to deal .....
Otherwise, I suspect we go into the regular season with:

1. David Carr
2. Dave Ragone
3. Tony Banks
4. Waived - BJ Symons.

If Chance looks like he has the makings of an NFL QB, then it would be very exciting to see the Texans carry him on the practice squad as the #4 QB.
Lots of good stuff in there - Allthough i'll play GM Charlie for a minute and say for the sake of arguement - Ragone plays well and wins the MVP and World Bowl w/the Thunder. After a few weeks I see what buzz is around about the league and needs at QB. I figure Charlie's phone to be ringing at least with some iniital inquiry stuff about Ragone and maybe even some trade talk. I'm willing to bet most teams have scouts and other guys watchign the NFLE and if a guy lights it up and wins the MVP and Wolrd Bowl, it at least makes a little noise enough to get interest in the player. IMO I would try to trade Ragone - strike while his name[the iron] is hot so to speak and see what kind of deals can be made. Ragone has shown he has skills and can compete really well and can still put up the numbers. Showed good poise and decisions in the pocket enough to have a 90+ passer rating for a majority of the season. IMO he's played good enough he could challenge for starting time on another team without a solid starter. IF nothing decent pans out now - teams that have a bad year or who are looking to build with a new QB would certainly be prospects for the off-season to make a deal with.

I would keep Banks a guy who knows my playbook and has stepped in as a proven back-up QB. Banks Salary is manageable and he is a servicebale journeyman back-up we allready have signed for the year. I keep Symons and see if he can develop into the #2 guy with another year in NFLE and maybe a few starting minutes this next year. IF it doesnt pan out I cut him next year. I would also bring in Chance to the practice squad and develop him thru the same system. Try to keep developing QB's and bringing in undrafted talent to use for the future thru NFLE. Build a system of raport with the NFLE anduse it as a minor league system to train players to use for trades and building a QB stable for use in the future.

My Depth chart would look more like this

1. David Carr
2. Tony Banks
3. BJ Symons
-PS- Chance Mock

*Dave Ragone - traded for Starting player or Draft pick[s] for next year.
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I think that the Texans QB situation is ideal. Ragone is the key factor here. If he performs well in the world Bowl, then we may trade him for a 2nd or 1st round pick. That makes room for Symons in the 3rd spot and Chance Mock on the practive squad. If Ragone stays this year, then the Texans will have to make some tough decisions. Either way I don't see Banks playing to much longer and Ragone playing backup to Carr.
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When the Texans drafted Ragone, they drafted him to trade him and that might happen this offseason while his value is high. Banks will be #2 and Symons #3.
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The elimination of practice squads for the year IS on the table this year. The concept and workings of 'practice squads' are actually dealt with on a year-by-year basis, and I was suprised to see that the owners actually want to nuke them for some arcane reason I cannot remember right now. Must be in work mode or something...
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I think we keep Ragone for one more year. Remember Danny Weurffel. He was a standout in the NFL Europe, and never could make it as a starter in the NFL. What teams would be interested in Ragone this year for at least a second round pick?
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When the Texans drafted Ragone, they drafted him to trade him and that might happen this offseason while his value is high. Banks will be #2 and Symons #3.
We'll never get good trade value for Ragone until he proves his ability to play in the NFL. Until then, if the coaches believe him to be a good QB, he should be kept as the #2.
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We'll never get good trade value for Ragone until he proves his ability to play in the NFL. Until then, if the coaches believe him to be a good QB, he should be kept as the #2.

we may not get 1st or 2nd round picks for ragone, but he has proven he can play and be a leader playing in NFLE. So we could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him, i would still rather banks come in if Carr goes down though.
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We'll never get good trade value for Ragone until he proves his ability to play in the NFL. Until then, if the coaches believe him to be a good QB, he should be kept as the #2.
I dunno - I'm of the opinion - you Never say never -

Ragone was drafted as a third rounder - I think he has shown not only to be worth that pick, but a whole lot better. His stats, passer rating, and wins with Berlin have shown him to be a good QB - IMO not just a second stringer.

He's third string on the Texans because we have so much talent available at that position. IF Ragone were on another team that was rebuilding, I think he would be a great QB to start with. He has shown himself to be a proffessional, skilled, versatile and still able to put up awesome numbers enough to be considered the MVP of the league and is leading Berlin to the World Bowl.

Granted it's not the Super Bowl - but we dont have any QB thats made it to one of those yet.

Granted the NFLE is not the cream of competition - but it's all NFL talent and he put up an awesoem display of QB over the season. His passer rating, completion percentage and TD's to Int ratio blows most other QB's out of the water. Heck his stats are better than David's are just for comparison sake.

IMO He cant exactly prove his way in the NFL without an opportunity. His opportunities to play here in Houston have been very very limited at best and will not improve with Banks here. I honestly hope we trade him to a team he can compete for a job at rather than just holding a clipboard. IMO think we will trade him if possible and will look to get at least a High second or late first or maybe a late second and third pick.

But - if we cant trade him off - look for us to try and move him before off-season next year to a team with a QB need.
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Didn't we give up a 3rd for Ragone? Why would we trade him, especially after he's gained experience, for the same round we drafted him in? Kinda makes it silly to have drafted him at all, doesn't it?

I don't think they have plans on sending Ragone away at all. If anything, Banks could be the one on the outs, since his veteran leadership is needed less and less, the more that Carr plays (and slips into "veteranhood"). I think that coming into camp, Ragone is going to have every chance to prove that he belongs as a #2 in Houston and that Banks will have to do something very special to unseat him. As well, I think that, if Banks DOES lose the position battle, the chances will be very high that he will be cut loose, with BJ Symons as the 3rd QB.
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