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Old 10-22-2012   #1
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...sfranc-injury/

He may have gotten his money just in time. I hope it turns out to be anything but.
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Default Re: MJD May have Lisfranc

Seems to be a trendy injury now, and since the stats say that it happens in less than 0.3% of foot injuries, a bit surprising.
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Lisfranc is no bueno for running back.
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He may have gotten his money just in time. I hope it turns out to be anything but.
Doc, of what "money just in time" do you speak? IIRC, his holdout resulted in fines, not a scale bump. MoJo played hard ball and new owner dude played soft balls since that's what he had a fist full of and was squeezing. As was hammered ad nauseum in the media MJD had NO leverage.

Schaub recovered (and really well from what we're seeing) but when all that was being discussed you pointed out many times how it's so much different for a RB. Granted, all speculation at this point but let's say that's what the end result is. Given MJD's age, wear & tear, that could be the Fat Lady for him, huh?

And I'm with you sincerely in hoping that's not the case. I really like watching him do his thing. 'Cept against us of coarse.

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Didn't McFadden also have it last year?
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Seems to be a trendy injury now, and since the stats say that it happens in less than 0.3% of foot injuries, a bit surprising.
Hipster Schaub had one before it was cool.
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This Liz Frank chick sure does get around. First Schaub, then Santonio Holmes, now MJD? I bet Favre has already a sent her a dozen texts.
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This Liz Frank chick sure does get around. First Schaub, then Santonio Holmes, now MJD? I bet Favre has already a sent her a dozen texts.
Haven't you read The Diary Of Liz Franc???
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Doc, of what "money just in time" do you speak? IIRC, his holdout resulted in fines, not a scale bump. MoJo played hard ball and new owner dude played soft balls since that's what he had a fist full of and was squeezing. As was hammered ad nauseum in the media MJD had NO leverage.

Schaub recovered (and really well from what we're seeing) but when all that was being discussed you pointed out many times how it's so much different for a RB. Granted, all speculation at this point but let's say that's what the end result is. Given MJD's age, wear & tear, that could be the Fat Lady for him, huh?

And I'm with you sincerely in hoping that's not the case. I really like watching him do his thing. 'Cept against us of coarse.

I'll hang up and listen.

Should have put a sarcasm there.

The Lions RB Kevin Jones couldn’t be a more representative example. A 1100+ yd RB as a rookie (only 3rd in Lions’ history). One and one half years later he suffered a left Lisfranc. His career took a down hill course from there. Two years later, he suffered severe left ankle ligament tears.......one year later, he found himself in the UFL.
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Didn't McFadden also have it last year?
Indeed, he did. McFadden is averaging 17.2 carries and 54 yards per game rushing.....that is 324 yds/103 carries this year. At this point last season, McFadden was the top back in the NFL with 111 carries for 610 yards.
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This Liz Frank chick sure does get around. First Schaub, then Santonio Holmes, now MJD? I bet Favre has already a sent her a dozen texts.
You forgot Cedric Benson and Ryan Kalil...............that shameless whore!
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I feel sorry for him if he does have lisfranc. I like MJD, I think he's good from the league.

I don't feel sorry for the Jags though.
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Lisfrancs . . .trendy??
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Indeed, he did. McFadden is averaging 17.2 carries and 54 yards per game rushing.....that is 324 yds/103 carries this year. At this point last season, McFadden was the top back in the NFL with 111 carries for 610 yards.
To be fair, I have seen Mcfadden run a lot this year. They have changed from a power running scheme to a zone blocking scheme and the holes are just not there like they were last year.
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Default Re: MJD May have Lisfranc

No lisfrank, just a sprained foot.


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Foot sprain is a very generic term. It many times refers to ankle ligament sprains. But, technically a midfoot sprain is a Lisfranc. When Grade I, especially, and Grade II (nonsurgical) also occurs, these can sometimes be more "sugar-coated" with the label "sprained foot."

Depending on severity, the Grade I or II non Lisfranc foot sprain (nonsurgically treated) will typically require anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks of recovery before returning to play.
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Foot sprain is a very generic term. It many times refers to ankle ligament sprains. But, technically a midfoot sprain is a Lisfranc. When Grade I, especially, and Grade II (nonsurgical) also occurs, these can sometimes be more "sugar-coated" with the label "sprained foot."

Depending on severity, the Grade I or II non Lisfranc foot sprain (nonsurgically treated) will typically require anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks of recovery before returning to play.
I'm glad you said that because I was doubting my sanity when I heard it reported that it was a mid-foot sprain but NOT a Lisfranc. I was trying to think of ways I could sprain the middle of my foot without doing something to the tarsus/metatarsal junction thingamajig. Cause that's kinda the definition of a Lisfranc, right?
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I'm glad you said that because I was doubting my sanity when I heard it reported that it was a mid-foot sprain but NOT a Lisfranc. I was trying to think of ways I could sprain the middle of my foot without doing something to the tarsus/metatarsal junction thingamajig. Cause that's kinda the definition of a Lisfranc, right?
You are indeed correct about the thingamajig-Lisfanc "connection"!
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Just a "mid foot sprain.........NOT a Lisfranc"???? Right! Didn't make any sense. Now he's been placed on permanent IR and going in for surgery on his Lisfranc. The delayed surgery will very likely compromise his eventual functional outcome. Ideally, a Lisfranc in a serious athlete should be taken to surgery within 12-24 hours following injury, or by 7-10 days when most of the acute swelling has subsided.

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Jones-Drew's injury was originally feared as a Lisfranc injury, but the Jaguars denied those reports and insisted he would make it back before the end of the season. After returning to practice last week, Jones-Drew sat out the home finale against the New England Patriots and now his 2012 season is over.

Jones-Drew ended the 2012 season with 414 rushing yards, which oddly enough still leads the team in rushing for the season. The Jaguars have been hit hard with injuries at the running back position.
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Jacksonville Jaguars running back Maurice Jones-Drew is having surgery on his left foot and will be out at least until May.

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Injuries are a part of football, but these players have been hit particularly hard.

The Jaguars (2-13) placed Jones-Drew on injured reserve Friday, two days before the season finale at Tennessee.

But keeping him on the active roster for two months after the Oct. 21 injury - and during the worst season in franchise history - surely creates questions about whether the team botched the whole thing.

Coach Mike Mularkey says Jones-Drew ran again Monday and complained of soreness, so the team sent him to Charlotte, N.C., for a checkup. Renowned foot specialist Dr. Bob Anderson told the Jaguars that the foot wasn't healing as well as expected, so they opted for surgery.

Mularkey says Jones-Drew will be ''hopefully back by May, late May, early June.''
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