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Old 10-30-2012   #61
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Yes is the short answer...and far more furvantly than America supports American Football, England - population 50 million, proffessional association football clubs, 115. USA - population is what? 360 million (unsure off the top of my head) and supports 32 proffessional American Football clubs.

I don't like the tone guys like Herv take towards us uk fans in threads like this, and don't get me wrong, I have plenty of respect for Herv as a poster, but you call your Super Bowl winner world champions, and not a single Brit on this board has posted in favour of a franchise, I also think from LT's post about the atmos, many other proper fans over here must be giving the IS a miss just like me, I ain't handing over a ton to watch the Pats have the Rams beat by the end of the first half, hence why I haven't bothered going the last few years now.

That doesn't mean you won't get a sell out from less informed fans because we're crazy for sport over here and being drip fed it in meagre quantities will keep that curiosity element coming. They hype it well and of course there is a huge corporate element too.

Time to get off the high horse. You don't like expansion and your a Texans fan? Jesus.
Personally, I love London, I love Brits, I love British humor, and I love everything about England. I consider the Brits to be our brothers and sisters. I just am not sure if the logistics for an expansion team would work in Europe.

Toronto and Mexico City would be more feasable; but, then again, I like Canadians, and I've had a blast every time I've gone to Mexico, too. lol. Guess I just see interesting cultures and people everywhere I travel.
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Don't those people only watch the other kind of football?
I didn't get a chance to answer this last night but Welsh Texan has done a fine job articulating some things I hadn't thought of and echoing other thoughts of mine.

By 'those people' I assume you mean anyone that is not American... Well..Yes, we watch and love football (of the round ball variety) and it is our national sport. I loved it long before American football. Most UK NFL fans that I've come into contact with support a team passionately and have done so for longer than they have their NFL team... And yet, for many (not all) NFL football has overtaken 'soccer' as our favourite sport - myself included - and guess what? If you lay the 'Brits don't understand our game' stereotype aside, you'll find I'm capable of being able to understand the game just fine ...I can even have a conversation about it - and I've made it my business to learn it as I love the game so much - many of the proper UK and other European fans, whilst living and/or originating outside of the USA, are equally as knowledgeable as the US fans and in some cases more knowledgeable than some US fans - we have to work hard to learn this wonderful game and although information and games are far more accessible to us now than they were in the 80s it is still a dribs and drabs kind of thing, which is fine as we only have a subculture of fans here, which again, is fine. NFL gamepass helps a lot as the WWW - That's why I don't expect or want a new or expansion franchise here - however, alluding to WT re: the tone of some posters, he's right! Although I suspect they talk more unfavourably towards the UK franchise idea as a whole and not UK peeps in general (I would hope not)- we all root for the same team lest we forget - many UK fans have rooted for the Texans since the start.
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I don't think the logistics work out for a team in London. Think about travel for the west coast teams to London or vice versa. Mexico City would make a lot of sense if they were going to an international location.
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Yes is the short answer...and far more furvantly than America supports American Football, England - population 50 million, proffessional association football clubs, 115. USA - population is what? 360 million (unsure off the top of my head) and supports 32 proffessional American Football clubs.

I don't like the tone guys like Herv take towards us uk fans in threads like this, and don't get me wrong, I have plenty of respect for Herv as a poster, but you call your Super Bowl winner world champions, and not a single Brit on this board has posted in favour of a franchise, I also think from LT's post about the atmos, many other proper fans over here must be giving the IS a miss just like me, I ain't handing over a ton to watch the Pats have the Rams beat by the end of the first half, hence why I haven't bothered going the last few years now.

That doesn't mean you won't get a sell out from less informed fans because we're crazy for sport over here and being drip fed it in meagre quantities will keep that curiosity element coming. They hype it well and of course there is a huge corporate element too.

Time to get off the high horse. You don't like expansion and your a Texans fan? Jesus.

Let me be perfectly clear. You can get your fan on to whatever degree you wish and I'm fine with that. I'm happy for you. I'm glad you find NFL football enjoyable and that you get to watch it on TV. I think the NFL should be making efforts to broadcast their games anywhere there is sufficient fan interest to justify the effort.

Having said that and keeping in mind that I don't begrudge you one iota of your "fanliness" I will now go on to address each of your other points.

Super Bowl winners being World Champions: Fine by me. Start a league somewhere else, crown a champion and lets play for the title if you want but until someone else starts playing the sport enough to want to object to that whole "World Champions" thing I think it's entirely suitable to call them that.

Every UK poster has (I think) said that they were not in favor of a team in the UK. That's not really much of an issue to me. My beef is with the NFL itself and how dead-set it appears to be to do this. Believe me when I say that you could all be marching in the streets demanding a franchise and if the NFL didn't want to do it then you wouldn't get it. Likewise every American NFL fan could loudly object to a team overseas and if the league thinks they're gonna make money doing it that's happening. They could care less what we think as long as we keep throwing money at them. When I go off on one of these rants I'm mad at the league, not the fans..... anywhere. At the same time I'm going to be fairly straightforward in stating how I feel about it. It's something I am passionate about. With local governments held hostage regularly for stadiums, stadium upgrades, and other issues I'd be more than happy to see Congress look at some kind of legal way of holding teams where they are or cutting them all off from the public teet entirely. We pay for stadiums, training facilities, and all kinds of improvements and the teams reap the financial rewards while we pay off the bonds.

I'm a fan of an expansion team because my team was stolen from my city by a fat worthless piece of dung named Bud Adams. If I had my way the Colts would be in Baltimore, The Rams would be in Los Angelas, The Titans would still be the Oilers and playing in Houston. The Cardinals would be in St. Louis where they belong and Carolina and Jacksonville wouldn't even exist. Cleveland wouldn't have needed an expansion team because Art Modell would have never been allowed to move them. The Ravens would have never been born. 28 teams was the perfect size for the NFL and everything since then has been a mistake, or an attempt to rectify a mistake in my opinion.
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I don't think the logistics work out for a team in London. Think about travel for the west coast teams to London or vice versa. Mexico City would make a lot of sense if they were going to an international location.
Exactly - I said this in various posts and stick by it - at least a team in Mexico could potentially have a decent geo rivalry with the Texans and cowgirls, Arizona and Cali
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The Sports Animal radio station in Tampa is speculating that the Jags are posturing to move over there. They talked about how much Sahid Kahn has been talking about how much he loves London of late and that he just committed to playing the next 4 seasons over there to build a fanbase.

He also grew up overseas in Pakistan and there is a huge Pakistani community in London which could play into this.

As a Texans fan I would hate to see them go because I only live 2 hours south of there and it's an easy road trip. However I don't see any real support for them outside of the immediate Jacksonville area. In the Orlando area the Dolphins are by far the more popular AFC team.
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So, our division rival might move overseas, which would make it harder on them to win games for a variety of reasons.

yesssssss...
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If the NFL is going to force teams to play overseas, the bye week for those teams should come before they have to travel over there.
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So, our division rival might move overseas, which would make it harder on them to win games for a variety of reasons.

yesssssss...
Harder than having Elaine taking snaps at QB?
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If the NFL is going to force teams to play overseas, the bye week for those teams should come before they have to travel over there.
Again: Wouldn't that essentially eliminate the bye week? An 8-hour-flight - one way - then two or three days to get over jet lag, then practice, then an 8-hour-flight home, then re-adjusting back to your home time zone for a few days, THEN getting ready for yet another game?


I just don't see London happening, people.
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I take nothing he says says seriously - especially when he spouts crap like this

"The NFL is going to be developing an international fan base. Why shouldn't it be the Jaguars?" Khan said in December. "In all honesty, internationally, they don't know the difference between the Jaguars and the Steelers."
Seriously ? He obviously knows nothing about the UK fans - guys a clown!
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What if they put your team overseas gtexan02? I don't know how you would respond but I'd wash my hands of the bastards. I love watching NFL football but I went without it when the Oiler's left and I've never returned to the same level of passion I had before then. I don't pretend to be a Browns fan but I feel for those people and have a healthy hatred of Art Modell for what he did to them. It carries over to his former team and the city of Baltimore which I just really friggin despise because they had an NFL owner screw them and then turned around later and with Modell did the exact same thing to another teams fans. I have nothing but loathing for the Ravens. Always have.

I think once the league screws you over you see them in a different light. I don't see life without the NFL as a particularly bad thing. It's entertainment. I can find other entertainment.
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This is exactly how I feel.
You put it much more eloguently than I could've Herv.
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So, our division rival might move overseas, which would make it harder on them to win games for a variety of reasons.

yesssssss...
Don't get too happy - Like I said before - wouldn't this mean Texans trips to London at least once a season?
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I don't know how the Brit fans here look at it, however I look at watching foreign sports like having ethnic food. I enjoy experiencing other cultures. Since my wife is from Spain and I spend a lot of time over there I have learned the language, learned to appreciate their food and culture which includes watching La Liga.

La Liga is a Spanish thing. When I watch it I only want to watch it in Spanish (not Mexican Spanish either).

IF La Liga decided one day to put a team in the US it would be a real turn off. It would take away the whole Spanish "vibe" it has.

I don't want macaroni and cheese served with my paella and I dang sure don't want my La Liga played in the US or anywhere else outside of Spain.

I am sure most US fans that follow the EPL feel the same way. EPL is English. I had a few friends in Austin that would get up early and head to Fado's an Irish Pub (closest thing to an English pub in Austin) to watch the EPL each week. I went with them a few times and I felt like I was taking in English culture. Put an EPL team in New York and it takes away from that.

To me it's like the NFL is wanting to take the "American" out of American Football.
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If the NFL is going to force teams to play overseas, the bye week for those teams should come before they have to travel over there.
So essentially that's saying the international travel is so grueling and such a hardship that the teams going to the UK need a bye week to prepare for it, yet the team coming the other direction will have to do the exact same thing a minimum of six times without the bye week to get ready (Seven if the opening game of the season is a home game for them).
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Don't get too happy - Like I said before - wouldn't this mean Texans trips to London at least once a season?
yeah, but 12:00 noon in Houston is 5:00 p.m. in London. It would basically be like a night game for the Texans.

But for London Jaguars players, road games to the U.S. would be a whole different story.
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When a game sells out in London, its because its a novelty and not because the British want American Football. If they put a team over there, it'll be broke in three years.
It's like a traveling circus...you go to see some funky circus acts and then the tents fold up and the circus moves on to another town.

That's what NFL is to Europe: A sideshow that comes to them a few times a year, something "different" to do for a change of pace. Novelty.

Now, for guys like LondonTex and others here like him...it's not a novelty act. It's something they love deeply and are heavily invested in watching and growing alongside. But LondonTex says he knows the UK fan base for NFL is not as vibrant or long-suffering as the handful of games' attendance numbers might show (hope I am not destroying what LondonTex meant to say, just re-wording a bit for illustrative purposes here).

To that extent, the NFL needs to give up. But they won't. For some reason or another, maybe they have analysts and marketing gurus who say so, they tend to think there's diamonds to be mined overseas. Basketball is by far an easier globalized American pro sport because of various reasons...and I think the NFL is getting caught up in a classic case of "Keeping up with the Joneses."
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Again: Wouldn't that essentially eliminate the bye week? An 8-hour-flight - one way - then two or three days to get over jet lag, then practice, then an 8-hour-flight home, then re-adjusting back to your home time zone for a few days, THEN getting ready for yet another game?


I just don't see London happening, people.
Not in favor of London expansion, but I don't see why you have to get over the jet lag and time difference. Every London game will have to be a noon CST game. So, just stay on that schedule. Prepare at home. Fly into London one day early, sleep when your home time zone tells you to sleep, play your game, and get out.
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So essentially that's saying the international travel is so grueling and such a hardship that the teams going to the UK need a bye week to prepare for it, yet the team coming the other direction will have to do the exact same thing a minimum of six times without the bye week to get ready (Seven if the opening game of the season is a home game for them).
And that's just another reason why it is a bad idea to have an NFL team in London.
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Originally Posted by houstonspartan View Post
Again: Wouldn't that essentially eliminate the bye week? An 8-hour-flight - one way - then two or three days to get over jet lag, then practice, then an 8-hour-flight home, then re-adjusting back to your home time zone for a few days, THEN getting ready for yet another game?


I just don't see London happening, people.
Listen, I'm in danger of bashing this point across for the Nth time here but they don't adjust to local time when they play here, they play the game at the same damn time they play in the US, they practice the same time as they would in the US and the actual players don't spend more than a couple of days on British soil...at most.

Worried about flight times? Buy and run a Concorde and you've just solved the problem. Worried about time-zones and jet lag? You're struggling with reading comprehension.
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