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Old 10-31-2012   #61
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Thanks TK. Watching college football intensifies the NFL games for me. I use to wait until the draft and use other peoples info to establish my draft. Quickly realised that what others see and my evaluation is quite different. If interested & you have time pick a college game or two to evaluate about mid season.
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...lol. Nice draft. Maybe a little LBer heavy but I like it! Y'all are on top of the college game. I'll be more in depth when pro-football is over!
LB's help the ST's, Lord knows the Texans could use the help.
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I guess. I think if I was coach I would be looking for a guy who could kick the damn ball into the endzone every time.
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I guess. I think if I was coach I would be looking for a guy who could kick the damn ball into the endzone every time.
remember Texans used a 5th last year on Randy Bullock. expect his leg/groin to heal & strengthen.
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Good work guys, made a really good read.

I can't help but feel that we may have a few more needs than we expect come draft time because I think we're hitting the cap ceiling pretty hard again this offseason (both Walter and AJ took significant paycuts this off-season, plus still plenty of guys hitting FA who are quality depth/in the rotation at various positions)

I reckon we'll be seeing a couple more guys get cut this offseason. I'm pretty sure AJ's contract alone goes up by something like $8-9 million next season, if the cap is level, they gotta make some moves.

Maybe thats letting Barwin walk in FA which would be a difficult decision to make, maybe thats cutting Antonio Smith who's contract makes him cuttable if you believe the money is better used elsewhere.

Quin is also up for FA too isn't he? And McCain who's a damn good nickel corner.

I personally doubt we see much pure BPA moving forward, I think they have to employ a mixture stacked towards need/future need.
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Good work guys, made a really good read.

I can't help but feel that we may have a few more needs than we expect come draft time because I think we're hitting the cap ceiling pretty hard again this offseason (both Walter and AJ took significant paycuts this off-season, plus still plenty of guys hitting FA who are quality depth/in the rotation at various positions)

I reckon we'll be seeing a couple more guys get cut this offseason. I'm pretty sure AJ's contract alone goes up by something like $8-9 million next season, if the cap is level, they gotta make some moves.

Maybe thats letting Barwin walk in FA which would be a difficult decision to make, maybe thats cutting Antonio Smith who's contract makes him cuttable if you believe the money is better used elsewhere.

Quin is also up for FA too isn't he? And McCain who's a damn good nickel corner.

I personally doubt we see much pure BPA moving forward, I think they have to employ a mixture stacked towards need/future need.
Good discussion points. I do not see either Smith leaving before contract expires. We may have a replacement for Wade & he may not re-sign but will play out 2013 @$3m. Antonio is high @$6m +2.1m bonus for an $8m cap but could see that reworked like AJ's to lower and extend. Ninja is playing very well and just turned 31 Oct 21st. I could see him getting a 2-3 year extension @ about $3m with upfront cash. I doubt anyone thinks Jared Crick is ready to replace him.

I see Quin renewing with Houston but McCain gone. Harris should step in.

AJ's is not as bad as you state (fortunately), in 2010 new contract was 7 year 62.7m but bonus was only $2.8m up front ($10m in incentatives) so his cap is about his annual base. 2013 $6.2m & 2013 $6.5m. He was guaranteed $48m - $2.8 (signing)= $45.2. When he recently agreed to rework deal he got $5.2m cash lowering his cap hit again. I think he got about $6.2m for 2012 so 45.2m-6.2= $39m still remaining guaranteed. He also gets $1m annually "workout bonus". In 2015 he jumps to $10.5m. All reasonable rates for his type WR.

We will lose some guys like McCain, Cody, Caldwell (probably), Alan Ball, etc; we should have replacements ready. Others like Ryan Harris, Forsett, Nading, Dobbins, Demps are bubble players.

Barwin is gone imo regardless how he performs remainder of this year. I would not be surprised to see a OLB/DE selected again first pick. *Dion Jordan Oregon is being rated about where we should select.
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Premise of any mock draft this early is just to have some fun with it. In this instance to give Texan fans something to discuss during the "BYE WEEK" (6,000 + views).

Bottom line need consensus suggests most of us agree the two priority needs are strengthening middle of Wade Phillips defense, adding quality Nose/ILB (we have both) & elite WR opposite Andre Johnson to extend top of defenses & spread weapons downfield which in turn opens running lanes for Foster & Co. Third fascett is grabbing good value for the OL to maintain reliable depth & starting rotation within salary cap limitations.

TE is outside the box thinking, but if you followed posts already know we feel a combination of plus blocker/receiver could jump start this offense much as elite WR would both of which are excellent targets end of 1st three rounds.

Now it's back to business & regular scheduled programing, "Game On" Texans vs Bills & Mario Williams
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Greetings fellow Texans, Draft Gurus & friends. This has become a ritual of sorts, to study, dialogue, agree to disagree & pound some sense out of next years draft, 2013, to see Texans continue to flourish, re-tool & hopefully become next NFL dynasty. The three Amigos (Badboy; rmartin65; beerlover) come from different backgrounds & have different viewpoints but we all share a common goal, to put out the best mock draft (both realistic, intuitive & honestly) our fellow fans will appreciate. If not for mods who brought us this forum & admins like Hookem Horns none of this would be possible & friendships like this never formed. Thank You. This Mock Draft is based on BPA (best player available) @ position of need.


First Round: Robert Woods, WR/Jr. 6010 190 lbs. USC

Woods along with Matt Barkley, choose to stay @ USC even during sanctions, forging ahead on record pace refining their craft, big ups. Despite that Woods remains under- the radar behind super sophomore sensation Marqise Lee on his own team. Woods now has the look of a seasoned, refined route runner in pro-system, putting up eye popping numbers (64 receptions as a true freshman, 111 receptions as sophomore, so far 44 receptions this year through only 7 games) In fact Woods set single game records, for USC, with 4 touchdowns against Arizona while going past all time school record for receptions with 217. Woods would fill a similar role with Texans as the #2 WR behind it's star while already familiar with west coast system run by Kubiak making it a more seamless transition than most rookies entering NFL. Robert would also be a time saver, creating separation quickly for Schaub in pass pro (becoming 1st option in reads) if Schaub gets in trouble Woods is also adept @ working back to his QB. Teams will no longer double team Andre Johnson. Must also add & this is a very important distinction: we are not attempting to replace Andre Johnson (not sure that is even possible) what we are advocating is adding a dynamic complimentary sidekick, someone with both track speed (4.4) great instincts tracking the ball, vertical, hands, running routes & ability to run after catch.

Note: In Texan War Room it was discussed trading up in last years draft (Mercilus) however they rolled the dice & let the draft/player come to them. This year may be the year (compensatory picks cannot be used in trades but can use own picks) to target specific player in this case it is our opinion Robert Woods would be that player.

Second Round: Louis Nix III, NT/rSoph. 6030 330 lbs. Notre Dame

Dominates the center, engages double teams, keep pad level low with natural knee bend & strength. Very quick & explosive to meet & greet the QB or RB in the backfield. Plus measurable for NFL NT position. Still raw but smooth athlete has rare combination of size/speed. Would add beef & playmkaing stops inside, keep LB's clean like he does for Te'o, & personality ready made for showtime in the big's. Questions of his return to Notre Dame this past off season along with probably a second round grade from NFL advisory board in January will probably prompt him to come out early. Hence we are getting in line early to address the interior of this Texan DL.

Third Round (Texans) C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE/Jr. 6060 265 lbs. Iowa

Hard to move off his feet when in pass pro or while in receiving route, established position & uses body to effectively wall off defender. Pronounced (Fee doh roh wiz) his father was a power lifter who started him on weights in 8th grade. "FIEDO" is a very good blocker who will protect Matt Schaub, besides added pass pro he can seal the edge or open large seams for Foster, Tate & company. Excellent target in Red Zone or first down scenarios. Very good hands with 21 for 213 yds with 5 games left. Follows long line of Hawkeyes tight ends: Dallas Clark, Tony Moeaki, Brandon Myers and Scott Chandler. Foundation, three down blocking TE with ability to transform into a dangerous offensive weapon disguising either run or passing options.

Third Round (Mario Williams compensatory pick - could be in danger of downgrading this pick due to his lack of production - subject to change) Andrew Jackson, ILB/Jr. 6010 262 lbs. Western Kentucky

Has been compared to Jack Lambert due to his physical play. Alabama Nick Saban said "He's a thumper, plays well, takes on blocker; a really good tackler. I have a lot of respect for him." Jackson once scolded a teammate who eased up as runner headed for sidelines. He only knows how to play 100%. Reminds of first round pick Dont'a Hightower. Could start day one, but will need to learn Wade Phillips system & earn his place on team. He possess the ideal blend of size/speed to play ILB. Andrew has the downhill physical nature to relieve Brian of extreme physical demands or putting him in back too soon as Cushing comes off rehabilitation providing extra insurance as well a starting running mate in the middle for the future.

Fourth Round: Lane Johnson, OT/Sr. 6060 303 lbs. Oklahoma

Athletic, swing tackle to groom who has developed (through excellent coaching) into OU's best OL. He fills one of the Texan tackle requirements in that he is a converted TE (also QB/DT). Has started both RT & LT. Has plus length arms (35") & strong hands to control speed rushers & has natural knee bend to adjust body in front of assignment. Adequate in both pass pro & run blocking, could fit in ZBS. With his upside & Texans need for depth @ position (Butler is probably done) we have upgraded his stock to end of 4th rd. He should make this roster & back up Brown while Harris backs up Newton. Could also get reps @ LG to add depth behind Wade Smith. Athletic, versatile, smart, Lane is from Groveton Texas & is Academic All-Big 12 first team.

Fifth Round: (Texans) Etienne Sabino, OLB/Sr. 6030 238 lbs. The Ohio State

Five star prep recruit who choose Buckeyes over football powers like USC, Miami & Florida. Special teams player first two seasons before breaking into starting lineup as a Junior finishing fifth on the team with 62 tackles and 6.5 tackles for loss. Through the first six games, the senior ranked third on the team with 37 tackles before breaking Fibula which probably cost him going a round or two higher in 2013 draft. His style of play is reminiscent of Brian Cushing, very athletic, great range, downhill blitzer who finishes his tackles. ES could flip inside or play some OLB, adds depth to LB position & someone to learn & shadow Cushing. Depth & special teams, unique athlete.

Fifth Round: (compensatory for Brisiel/Jacoby) Josh Johnson, CB/FS/Sr. 5110 195 lbs. Purdue

A team can never have enough young talent and depth in the defensive backfield. A good-sized corner with excellent tackling skills and on-field awareness, Josh Johnson could play either CB or FS for the Texans in 2013. While he does not have the ‘wow’ speed that the elite prospects have, Johnson is somehow always around the ball, totaling 64 tackles, 9 batted passes and 2 picks last year, and 25 tackles, 8 batted passes and 3 picks in 7 games this year. Furthermore, he fits the Texans’ mold, having been named to the Big 10 academic team two years running.

Sixth Round: Zach Boren, FB/Sr. 6001 252 lbs. The Ohio State

Here is our long waited Vonta Leach replacement. Boren is the prototypical FB who would run through a brick wall to open a hole. This year Boren has taken a more active role in the offense, running for 33 yards on 11 carries and two touchdowns, while catching 5 balls for 42 yards. While these are hardly mindblowing numbers, they go to show that, unlike Leach, Boren can make plays with the ball, even if it is not why he is being drafted here. We foresee many more years of the league’s best rushing offense with Boren helping to clear the way.

Seventh Round: Kapron Lewis-Moore, DE/Sr. 6040 306 lbs. Notre Dame

Kap is defensive co-captain with Manti Te'o. He is a converted OLB with pass rushing moves yet stout enough to drop down as a 5-tech 3-4 end. High motor, effort guy who is always around the football but not quick enough to get there first before Te'o or Nix, still these are the type of effort depth players NFL teams feed off to sustain teams health & longevity. Losing Tim Jamision & David Hunter has left the depth chart with only Jared Crick a rookie & 4th rd. draft pick from Nebraska. We feel Lewis-Moore could fill this vacuum pending on how well those players rehab to give Texans much needed adequate depth to maintain defense @ a high level for entire 16 game season & playoffs.
WOW. Yall did an excellent job for an early mock. Some nitpicking.

1. Woods is a great pick, but I doubt he will be there. This is becoming an passing league and as such more and more WRs are going high in the draft. 4 went in the first 30 picks last year. A good pick, but I fear he will be a mid round selection or better.

2. I entertained the notion of putting Louis Nix III as first round Texans pick for many of the reasons you suggested. I think Nix has the stuff, but I don't think he lasts this long. He is a big, athletic, disruptive force in the middle of the field. He can play as a 3-4 NT like Seymour or Jenkins, a 3-4 DE like Ngata, or a 4-3 DT like Atkins. As such I think he goes int he first, possibly even a high as around 12. I'd take him with the Texans first rounder. If he somehow slips to the Texans in the second, I would be besides myself.

3. VERY good TE prospect. Question is would he see the field with OD, Graham, and Casey(since you have a FB later on) ahead of him? May mean one of them is let out? That aside GREAT pick.

4. I am not knocking the pick. I think he is a great developmental Swing tackle. My only concern is that I see RT as a bigger more immediate need to upgrade and would do so with a starter. Obviously yall feel differently. That's fine. We will get a better sense of Newton over the second half of the season.

5. I am certainly concerned about his speed and size. a little short for a safety but not really fast enough to be a corner. Perhaps he becomes a special teams player?

6. Boren is a fine prospect. I prefer Millard but Boren is also good.

7. High effort DE in the 7th. Sure. Sign me up. At this point in the draft give me high effort high motor guys.
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Doppleganger, appreciate the comments. We are willing to use our #1 on Nix and do expect him to climb boards but when Mock posted few really knew him. Also, Woods had dropped some allowing him to float within our range. As BL has said, we all have seen some odd things happen draft day. Remember getting Mercilus @ #26? Also Reed in second. Ya just never know.
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