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Old 06-02-2005   #61
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I feel Andre and Davis are the only players that can get open on a consistent basis. You seriously can't believe throughout the Texan's entire existance in the NFL, that Carr has never had to time to look through all of his progressions then dump it down to his checkoff in the flat?
We never said he never had time to go through his progressions, just it is a very rare occurance... Most of the time Carr only has about 2 seconds to get the ball off before he is running for his life.
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Old 06-02-2005   #62
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but please before you are through debating, you are still yet to answer between my two given scenarios and provide a response to my bolded statement. And to explain why Koren was cut if he is so "solid". I guess you have finally run out of ammo? Come to your senses have you.
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Old 06-02-2005   #63
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We never said he never had time to go through his progressions, just it is a very rare occurance... Most of the time Carr only has about 2 seconds to get the ball off before he is running for his life.
Okay man, ya'll feel one way and I feel the complete opposite. My opinion will not change.

This debate should just stop here.
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Wut i Think is you should stop trying to end this debate now since you are coming to your senses and answer my questions. If you are so strong in your opinions you surely will back them up, will you not?
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but please before you are through debating, you are still yet to answer between my two given scenarios and provide a response to my bolded statement. And to explain why Koren was cut if he is so "solid". I guess you have finally run out of ammo? Come to your senses have you.
You are spitting opinions that you want to believe are facts, you are not spitting real facts.
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Barry still won a Super Bowl though

That's my point. There's an example of a joke of an NFL coach who won a Superbowl. Championships are good indicators but they are not the only bar by which someone should be judged.

Let's play, who's the better coach?:

Mike Ditka or Dan Reeves
Barry Switzer or my 12 year old niece
Hank Schramm or Marty Schottenheimer
George Seifert or Marv Levy
Brian Billick or Andy Reid


Holmgren was fortunate that Ron Wolf put such great talent around him. He should get some credit for assembling a great staff and not messing it up. Perhaps he was a good coach in the mid 90s but he's aweful now.
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Wut i Think is you should stop trying to end this debate now since you are coming to your senses and answer my questions. If you are so strong in your opinions you surely will back them up, will you not?
So you want me to sit up here all night and try to change your opinion which is already made up in your mind? Please man, I got better things to do.
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key word- solid Wr, if Koren is a solid WR explain why he was cut?
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Well we don't want our RB to be 2nd on the team in receptions, but givin our certain circumstances(O-Line ) we're makin the best of it and making something happen. Now please tell me something:

Which would you rather have:
Scenario #1- Texans sign Robinson(taking money away maybe from a potential Shelton signing) and when AJ is covered Carr looks to get it to a reciever farther then DD, chances of Carr getting sacked go up.

Scenario #2- Carr does his usual running around from the O-line and still manages to dump it off to DD when AJ is covered.

Which do you prefer?

Our other recievers will get their receptions when Carr gets protection and enough time to find them. If we bring in Koren, Carr still has no protection and not enough time to get it to him.
Come on Boss, you come in here arguing that we need Koren, but after i drop these few posts, im yet to get an answer?
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Okay man, ya'll feel one way and I feel the complete opposite. My opinion will not change.

This debate should just stop here.
I thought it was gonna stop along time ago, but u contradicted urself again and kept debating even tho u had 4 people trying to get u to understand that we would have a #2 wr with 70 catches if Carr actually had time to look at the #2 wr... Then when some1 pointed out that DD had 68 catches, you started another debate about "who would want a rb to be second on the team in receptions"...
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So you want me to sit up here all night and try to change your opinion which is already made up in your mind? Please man, I got better things to do.
Not saying you need to sit up here all night, and i'm not telling you to change my opinion, what i am saying is that if you are so sure we need K-Rob you could certainly answer my posts in one post and back all of that up.
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That's my point. There's an example of a joke of an NFL coach who won a Superbowl. Championships are good indicators but they are not the only bar by which someone should be judged.

Let's play, who's the better coach?:

Mike Ditka or Dan Reeves
Barry Switzer or my 12 year old niece
Hank Schramm or Marty Schottenheimer
George Seifert or Marv Levy
Brian Billick or Andy Reid


Holmgren was fortunate that Ron Wolf put such great talent around him. He should get some credit for assembling a great staff and not messing it up. Perhaps he was a good coach in the mid 90s but he's aweful now.
Man, if you want to believe these coaches are jokes than go ahead. All I know is the coaches that I have mentioned earlier has won a Super Bowl.
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It's the curse of Fantasy Football. Koren Robinson gets drafted high in some league that these guys play in and he puts of good fantasy numbers, therefore the Texans could use him. After all, Gaffney's fantasy numbers are nothing compared to Koren's!
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I thought it was gonna stop along time ago, but u contradicted urself again and kept debating even tho u had 4 people trying to get u to understand that we would have a #2 wr with 70 catches if Carr actually had time to look at the #2 wr... Then when some1 pointed out that DD had 68 catches, you started another debate about "who would want a rb to be second on the team in receptions"...
WTH

Just stop man, please just stop.
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It's the curse of Fantasy Football. Koren Robinson gets drafted high in some league that these guys play in and he puts of good fantasy numbers, therefore the Texans could use him. After all, Gaffney's fantasy numbers are nothing compared to Koren's!
Okay, now I'm just lost
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Ok, im done... Time to get some sleep. Yo Socks, have fun debating with this guy lol.
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Man, if you want to believe these coaches are jokes than go ahead. All I know is the coaches that I have mentioned earlier has won a Super Bowl.

look at the list I compiled: Ditka, Switzer, Seifert, Schramm, etc... they all won superbowls. I'm not saying that they're all bad coaches. I'm saying that there are clearly better coaches who haven't won superbowls... Therefore, counting Superbowls obviously isn't the best way to define quality when discussing Head Coaches in the NFL.
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WTH

Just stop man, please just stop.
Boss, i am on the Debate team and i am willing to stay right here until i get an answer. Now stop trying to side-step the issue and if you are so sure on you don't even have to debate this anymore, then you could obviously back everything up right?! Well you are yet to show that, and therefore i'll take it as you don't know what you got yourself into and the brilliant minds here on this board made you realize your boy Koren is a chump.
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Ok, im done... Time to get some sleep. Yo Socks, have fun debating with this guy lol.
I'm out too, bout to play some XBOX Live.

Peace people, it was fun
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Boss, i am on the Debate team and i am willing to stay right here until i get an answer. Now stop trying to side-step the issue and if you are so sure on you don't even have to debate this anymore, then you could obviously back everything up right?! Well you are yet to show that, and therefore i'll take it as you don't know what you got yourself into and the brilliant minds here on this board made you realize your boy Koren is a chump.
Now thats how you end it. The kid did it again.
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Now thats how you end it. The kid did it again.
I have been laughing so hard at how the kid has handled Boss , that I haven't been able to post. Besides, Socks basically said what alot of us already think, so there really wasn't any need for me to say anything. Great job Socks.
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