Chris Palmer and Billy Miller on 790am in the 8 o'clock hour

[Texans Pride]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

Sounds like Miller contributed as much to the radio show as he did for the offense in the 2004 season.

Chuckle Chuckle, that was pretty good Arlington

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by Texans Pride

Chuckle Chuckle, that was pretty good Arlington

or maybe Carl Dukes understands how to use Miller's skills as well as chris palmer

[Davis37]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

Sounds like Miller contributed as much to the radio show as he did for the offense in the 2004 season.

LOL too funny!

In the words of the great Homer Simpson, "It's funny cause it's true!".

[Davis37]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Capers is absolutely not a conservative coach !! He simply believes in running the ball effectively and often. His gameday philosophy is not different than Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, John Fox, and others. Using the running game as a primary threat in an offense doesn't have to be vanilla (Carolina in '03, Pittsburgh '04, lots of Denver teams, any Dan Henning coordinated teams) and it can be very effective (the list is too long)...

Capers likes to take risks. He tries fake field goals at peculiar times. He often goes for it on 4th down (Jacksonville '03). He loves to blitz and gamble on defense. I think the Jimmy Johnson comparison is very accurate. Jimmy constantly reigned in Norv Turner's offensive playcalling- demanding that Emmitt pound the ball. However, at the same time, he invented the 3rd quarter surprise onside kick and loved to take calculated risks like that.

Please everyone who is calling Capers conservative stop it! He believes in running the ball (thank god!) and it is up to Palmer to utilize his offensive talents within Capers philosophy to create a successful offense. If he's not up to that challenge, then he should step aside.

woah buddy, calm down. I didnt say Capers is conservative... I was just quoting the radio. All I said is that Palmer sound defensive about the questions of the offense.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Davis37

woah buddy, calm down. I didnt say Capers is conservative... I was just quoting the radio. All I said is that Palmer sound defensive about the questions of the offense.

I didn't address my remarks to you.

[Davis37]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I didn't address my remarks to you.

ok, my bad. just seemed to me like u were replying to my post about the Palmer thing.

[disaacks3]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Please everyone who is calling Capers conservative stop it! He believes in running the ball (thank god!) and it is up to Palmer to utilize his offensive talents within Capers philosophy to create a successful offense. If he's not up to that challenge, then he should step aside.

I DO think he's conservative, but that's not always a bad thing. Given your logic, should Capers step aside if he's not up to the challenge of producing a successful team within the Casserly draft philosophy?

[tsip]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Capers is absolutely not a conservative coach !! He simply believes in running the ball effectively and often. His gameday philosophy is not different than Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, John Fox, and others. Using the running game as a primary threat in an offense doesn't have to be vanilla (Carolina in '03, Pittsburgh '04, lots of Denver teams, any Dan Henning coordinated teams) and it can be very effective (the list is too long)...

Capers likes to take risks. He tries fake field goals at peculiar times. He often goes for it on 4th down (Jacksonville '03). He loves to blitz and gamble on defense. I think the Jimmy Johnson comparison is very accurate. Jimmy constantly reigned in Norv Turner's offensive playcalling- demanding that Emmitt pound the ball. However, at the same time, he invented the 3rd quarter surprise onside kick and loved to take calculated risks like that.

Please everyone who is calling Capers conservative stop it! He believes in running the ball (thank god!) and it is up to Palmer to utilize his offensive talents within Capers philosophy to create a successful offense. If he's not up to that challenge, then he should step aside.

Personally, I want to see the Texans find ways to win games, approaching
each game one at a time. Run or pass, we only win if we score more points.
I know that sounds easy but it is not or every team would do it. Capers
must find ways to put his players in posistions to excel (read the Ragone
quote in the "Ragone Watch Section" ), whether it be by play calling or schemes or motivation. etc. Bum Phillips was known as a conservative
head coach (sure, he had Earl) with a defensive mind who got every 'ounce'
of effort he could get out of his players and-most important-his team won
games. Capers is the head coach because he earned it and he has this team
poised for the next step-- I'm looking forward to him and his staff leading
the Texans to the winner's circle and playoffs!!

[Ibar_Harry]

What happened on the Radio is very interesting, because if you remember it was said that Capers had to go tell Palmer to change what was happening with the blocking because David was getting killed. It sounded like Carr talked to Casserly and Casserly talked to Capers. Also, McNair had his two cents worth in there. Now, we have Palmer saying its Capers problem, because he's doing what Capers wants.

There is something wrong and if you can't smell it then so be it. I will state again, given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize. Its interesting because others are beginning to see that Capers is really a liability for Casserly in that they are not on the same page. Casserly believes in procurring the best athlete available at the time of the draft, but Capers I really don't believe understands how to use that talent unless it's earmarked for the defense. I wouldn't be surprised if Palmer is gone before the start of the season. Why, because comments like he made on the radio will not sit well with Capers. If you want further insight go read the article from Seattle on Sharper. There is a tone in that article that is more than just sour grapes. I've said for a long time that I don't believe Capers has the respect of his players, and the more I read, hear and see, I think that is true. Obviously many of you feel differently and that is your right just it is my right to say this is the way I feel. Again, I hope I'm absolutely wrong, but there are a lot of little things popping up which make you wonder what is really happening on the inside.

[ATX]

"given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize ." Classic Ibar Hating

Ok, first year's draft, what's the most important position on a team? QB
what's the highest rated player coming out of the draft? David Carr
Easy answer, would you rather have us drafted Harrington here?

Second draft, who's the best player out of that draft class? Andre Johnson
What number did we get him? #3

Both picks are solid picks, probably 90 percent of the GM's and coaches would have picked the same if they were in the same position.

So the simple answer to your question is because he was smart and they're good players. these are important picks, can't blow them here. capers can go in the later rounds and draft his style of players ie. Wells, Davis, Wand, Joppru, Morency. You think Robinson, Peek, and Babin aren't his style of players? Did he not trade up to get Babin? Was Robinson a bad pick at 13?

All I can say is patience. Capers knows what he's doing. The Boselli, Hollings, and Joppru injuries slowed down our progress, but it'll work out soon. This is the year for high expectations. We've had 4 good drafts and the team is finally coming together. look at our starters.

Offense:
David Carr
D. Davis
Johnson
Gaffney
Pitts
Wand

Defense:
Babin
Peek
Robinson
Earl

Backups:

Wells
Baxter
Weary
Brown
Hogden
Mathis
Morrency
Hollings
S. Thomas
T. Johnson
C. Anderson
Lord
Walker
Faggins
Ragone

10 starters drafted
25 backups drafted
If Sharper wants to complain, let him complain. There's 35 guys here that aren't complaining and are willing to buy into Capers' sytem.

Should i add the free agents that capers has brought in that aren't complaining. Weigert,Wade, Greenwood, Smith, Buchanon, Norris, Simmons, etc.

so there's 42 guys that aren't complaining and that's not including the Expansion draft players on our team. mckinney, coleman, walker, payne, wong, Banks, etc. then add stanley, brown, and pittman on special teams.
51 players give or take a couple that'll make the team. any of them complaining? no

So what's your point Ibar?

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by atxcoolguy

So what's your point Ibar?

One thing to keep in mind with Ibar is that he a Fresno State fan who followed Carr here. He is not a Texan who is glad we drafted Carr, Ibar is a Carr fan who hates that his guy is with an expansion team (only conclusion I can come to as to his chronic, redundant team bashing). Ibar wants immediate results or he will just troll us hard until we produce them. I've seen him post since 2002 when he predicted we would win the Super Bowl in 2002 - our first season & has been bashing the team in his same polite manner ever since we didn't manage to pull this off. That's just how Ibar is going to be I think. I don't see it ending any time soon.

Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

Now, we have Palmer saying its Capers problem, because he's doing what Capers wants.

No, he never said that. You are putting words in his mouth.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

If you want further insight go read the article from Seattle on Sharper. There is a tone in that article that is more than just sour grapes...

What interview are you referring to? And can you find the quote that is "more than just sour grapes"?

Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

I will state again, given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize.

Carr is a QB & Johnson is a WR. What "style" do you think they reflect? Every team needs QBs & WRs. Unless you think that Capers wants to run the wishbone. Who are some of these Capers-type players you think would be more in line with Dom's "propensities"?

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Lucky

What interview are you referring to? And can you find the quote that is "more than just sour grapes"?

Carr is a QB & Johnson is a WR. What "style" do you think they reflect? Every team needs QBs & WRs. Unless you think that Capers wants to run the wishbone. Who are some of these Capers-type players you think would be more in line with Dom's "propensities"?

You're not really expecting a response are you? You know the Ibar protocal is to only answer or address Vinny--well really make that address because he never answers anyone.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

There is something wrong and if you can't smell it then so be it. I will state again, given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize. Its interesting because others are beginning to see that Capers is really a liability for Casserly in that they are not on the same page. Casserly believes in procurring the best athlete available at the time of the draft, but Capers I really don't believe understands how to use that talent unless it's earmarked for the defense.

Perhaps the Titans shouldn't have drafted Steve McNair, given Jeff Fisher's propensity to run the ball and focus on defense.

Perhaps the Cowboys shouldn't have drafted Troy Aikman given Jimmy's propensity to run the ball and focus on defense.

Perhaps New England shouldn't have drafted Drew Bledsoe and Terry Glenn given Parcells propensity to focus on running the ball, the short passing game, and defense.

Perhaps New England shouldn't have hired Charlie Weiss given Belichek's propensities.

Perhaps Baltimore shouldn't have drafted Jamal Lewis and Todd Heap since Brian Billick has a propensity to throw the ball downfield to WRs.

Perhaps Pittsburgh shouldn't have drafted Ben Rothlisberger given Cowhers' propensity to run the ball and focus on defense.

[Tailgate]

Ibar,

You actually had a Carr talked to Casserly domino effect speculation, questioned the Carr and Johnson picks by Capers, and said that you wouldnt be surprised if Palmer was gone before the start of this season.... ALL IN ONE POST???

Wow. You have actually gotten worse. Atleast spread this kind of BS out over severall posts, that way we don't have to take it all in at once.

Appreciate it.

[Tailgate]

Originally Posted by bigTEXan8

Just like Ibar, I am a Carr fan who followed him from Fresno State to Houston. However, I agree with Ibar in the sense, I never expected to win the SB in his rookie year. But I did expect him to blow up. The problem is that I don't believe the offense properly utilizes Carr's abilities. For crying out loud, throw 4 WR out there and let Carr pick the D apart. It's fine running the ball constantly doesn't seem to be getting us 25 points a game, giving us a chance to win.

Are you forgetting we have led the league in total sacks allowed overall these past 3 seasons? You can't pick a D a part when you dont have time to throw the ball.

You guys were just too used to seeing him throw touchdown after touchdown in college.

This is the NFL, and we have just now FINALLY lost the expansion label. If our offensive line woes start to go away this year, then you should see Carr progress into something special. Thats not taking away from the improvements we did see last year (16 tds I think) anyway.

But remember, you may never see those Fresno type of numbers ever again.

[wags]

Originally Posted by bigTEXan8

For crying out loud, throw 4 WR out there and let Carr pick the D apart.

Third and five and the Texans are in four wide. Carr gets the snap, takes two steps, and splat....... Fourth and ten.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

You're not really expecting a response are you?

Yeah, I am. Unless he has me on the "ignore list". There's a lot of that going 'round.

[SheTexan]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

Sounds like Miller contributed as much to the radio show as he did for the offense in the 2004 season.

Difficult to contribute much when you don't get much playing time!! JMO!!

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by SheTexan

Difficult to contribute much when you don't get much playing time!! JMO!!

Missed the 2nd of the smart mouth comment(Dukes not knowing how to use Miller no better than Palmer) , but the more a more serious answer is that tough to get playing time when you are one worst blocking TEs in the league and at least 50% of your job is to block. Miller has worked hard and is okay a pass catcher, but his total package is mediocre at best. He is getting about the right amount of time.