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Old 08-31-2013   #41
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I'm watching the Miss St./Okie St. game and it seriously is beyond me why we can't play on field turf like they're having them play on. I guess the organization really doesn't like playing on the stuff, but I don't have much confidence in our natural playing surface.
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I'm watching the Miss St./Okie St. game and it seriously is beyond me why we can't play on field turf like they're having them play on. I guess the organization really doesn't like playing on the stuff, but I don't have much confidence in our natural playing surface.
Because the players don't like it and it causes more injuries. That comes before fan aesthetic concerns.
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Because the players don't like it and it causes more injuries. That comes before fan aesthetic concerns.
Maybe. If one were to believe Bill Belichick, that turf was the cause of Wes Welker's ACL tear.
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Because the players don't like it and it causes more injuries. That comes before fan aesthetic concerns.
I'm not talking about the way it looks, but when Bill Belichick comes out and talks about how terrible the field is I would probably venture to say there's something to it. I just don't see how rolling out patches of grass is safe. Not saying that field turf is much safer, but I haven't heard a ton of complaints from those teams that use it up north.
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Because the players don't like it and it causes more injuries. That comes before fan aesthetic concerns.
But it looks so pretty!

I knew this thread would get resurrected.
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I'm not talking about the way it looks, but when Bill Belichick comes out and talks about how terrible the field is I would probably venture to say there's something to it. I just don't see how rolling out patches of grass is safe. Not saying that field turf is much safer, but I haven't heard a ton of complaints from those teams that use it up north.
Why would anyone ever believe anything Bill Belichick says in public?
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Still don't get why this is even a discussion...

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But it looks so pretty!

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Still don't get why this is even a discussion...

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Why don't you take a peak at the Hartmann thread after he got hurt and see what many people on the board were saying, or maybe the Andre thread after he got hurt......... It could very well be safe, but the idea of how they roll it out still makes me a little uneasy.
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Why don't you take a peak at the Hartmann thread after he got hurt and see what many people on the board were saying, or maybe the Andre thread after he got hurt......... It could very well be safe, but the idea of how they roll it out still makes me a little uneasy.
I've seen those threads. A bunch of fans making far reaching conclusions, raising baseless concerns over how the turf LOOKS.

If you followed the link, you'll see a ranking based on PLAYERS opinions, which have nothing to do with how it looks.

I'm certainly not qualified in any way to judge which is better on my own, but it's clear year after year that players and coaches prefer grass over anything artificial, and that Reliant real grass field ranks in the top third of all the grass fields. Why are we still talking about this?
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I've seen those threads. A bunch of fans making far reaching conclusions, raising baseless concerns over how the turf LOOKS.

If you followed the link, you'll see a ranking based on PLAYERS opinions, which have nothing to do with how it looks.

I'm certainly not qualified in any way to judge which is better on my own, but it's clear year after year that players and coaches prefer grass over anything artificial, and that Reliant real grass field ranks in the top third of all the grass fields. Why are we still talking about this?
Funny thing about message boards....... You can very easily avoid reading or answering anything in them.

As to your response though I completely understand what you're saying about grass fields being safer. I'm just leery about how ours it setup. But I'll let you avoid this discussion since it bothers you so much.
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Funny thing about message boards....... You can very easily avoid reading or answering anything in them.

As to your response though I completely understand what you're saying about grass fields being safer. I'm just leery about how ours it setup. But I'll let you avoid this discussion since it bothers you so much.
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by answering all your questions.
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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by answering all your questions.
And I'm sorry you're not smart enough to understand the difference between a question and a comment. Feelings are never hurt my friend.
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This is an abstract of the only study performed on this subject re. all the different natural grass fields (averaged) vs FieldTurf stadiums. ACLs and eversion ankles (the most common of ankle sprains) were especially alarming on Field Turf. Most of the other lower limb injuries did not separate themselves according to playing surface (not every type of lower limb injury was included in the data...only ACL, MCL, and ankle sprains).
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Am J Sports Med. 2012 Oct;40(10):2200-5. Epub 2012 Sep 12.

An analysis of specific lower extremity injury rates on grass and FieldTurf playing surfaces in National Football League Games: 2000-2009 seasons.

Hershman EB, Anderson R, Bergfeld JA, Bradley JP, Coughlin MJ, Johnson RJ, Spindler KP, Wojtys E, Powell JW; National Football League Injury and Safety Panel.

Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Lenox Hill Hospital, North Shore-LIJ Orthopaedic Institute, North Shore-LIJ Healthcare System, 130 East 77th Street, New York, NY 10075, USA. hershmane@manhattanorthopaedics.com


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BACKGROUND:

Players in the National Football League (NFL) sustain injuries every season as the result of their participation. One factor associated with the rate of injury is the type of playing surface on which the players participate.

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There is no difference in the rate of knee sprains and ankle sprains during NFL games when comparing rates of those injuries during games played on natural grass surfaces with rates of those injuries during games played on the artificial surface FieldTurf.

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Descriptive epidemiology study.

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The NFL records injury and exposure (ie, game) data as part of its injury surveillance system. During the 2000-2009 NFL seasons, there were 2680 games (5360 team games) played on grass or artificial surfaces. Specifically, 1356 team games were played on FieldTurf and 4004 team games were played on grass. We examined the 2000-2009 game-related injury data from those games as recorded by the injury surveillance system. The data included the injury diagnosis, the date of injury, and the surface at the time of injury. The injury data showed that 1528 knee sprains and 1503 ankle sprains occurred during those games. We calculated injury rates for knee sprains and ankle sprains-specifically, medial collateral ligament (MCL) sprains, anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) sprains, eversion ankle sprains, and inversion ankle sprains-using incidence density ratios (IDRs). We used a Poisson model and logistic regression odds ratios to validate the IDR analysis. A multivariate logistic regression model was used to adjust the odds ratio for weather conditions.

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The observed injury rate of knee sprains on FieldTurf was 22% (IDR = 1.22, 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.09-1.36) higher than on grass, and the injury rate of ankle sprains on FieldTurf was 22% (IDR = 1.22, 95% CI, 1.09-1.36) higher than on grass. These differences are statistically significant. Specifically, the observed injury rates of ACL sprains and eversion ankle sprains on FieldTurf surfaces were 67% (P < .001) and 31% (P < .001) higher than on grass surfaces and were statistically significant. The observed injury rates of MCL sprains and inversion ankle sprains were also not significantly higher on FieldTurf surfaces (P = .689 and .390, respectively).

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Injury rates for ACL sprains and eversion ankle sprains for NFL games played on FieldTurf were higher than rates for those injuries in games played on grass, and the differences were statistically significant.
Whatever your perceived preference of surface, when evaluating injuries, each grass field's "safety" is highly dependent on its maintenance (FieldTurf very little). Therefore when you mix the grass fields in this study that were well-maintained with those that were not, the poorly maintained will definitely demonstrate increase in the injury rate compared to the well-maintained..............bringing the "average" of injuries up compared to counting only the well-maintained grass field injuries. This higher number makes it that much more alarming when comparing ACL and eversion ankle sprains which are calculated as FieldTurf % higher than all grass fields.
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This is an abstract of the only study performed on this subject re. all the different natural grass fields (averaged) vs FieldTurf stadiums. ACLs and eversion ankles (the most common of ankle sprains) were especially alarming on Field Turf. Most of the other lower limb injuries did not separate themselves according to playing surface (not every type of lower limb injury was included in the data...only ACL, MCL, and ankle sprains).


Whatever your perceived preference of surface, when evaluating injuries, each grass field's "safety" is highly dependent on its maintenance (FieldTurf very little). Therefore when you mix the grass fields in this study that were well-maintained with those that were not, the poorly maintained will definitely demonstrate increase in the injury rate compared to the well-maintained..............bringing the "average" of injuries up compared to counting only the well-maintained grass field injuries. This higher number makes it that much more alarming when comparing ACL and eversion ankle sprains which are calculated as FieldTurf % higher than all grass fields.
MSR Doc! Thanks for that. I actually just happened to stumble on this article that was from the 2011 season where our players talked about how poor it was. My issue isn't with the grass field so I hope everyone understands that. It just seems like there has to be a better system of managing it. Maybe that started happening last year.

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ďItís my understanding that he just got caught in the seam or tripped,Ē coach Gary Kubiak said about Hartmannís fall.

He was not the first player of the day to suffer a painful injury after a fall that didnít involve physical contact with anybody else.
Texans Players Say Field Not Up To Par
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I was at UH game last night ant the field turf looked old and faded. The yard markings and numbers looked old and faded as well.
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MSR Doc! Thanks for that. I actually just happened to stumble on this article that was from the 2011 season where our players talked about how poor it was. My issue isn't with the grass field so I hope everyone understands that. It just seems like there has to be a better system of managing it. Maybe that started happening last year.



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Actually there are so many variables with the grass field. When I have asked players about the Dolphins field, I haven't found one that felt that field could be #6 over the #7 Texans grass field..........especially during the period where the Marlins (infield) and Hurricanes are sharing the field.
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I was at UH game last night ant the field turf looked old and faded. The yard markings and numbers looked old and faded as well.
That's because they don't paint them after every game. There was a high school game at Reliant the night before. The field turf was fine. Not all field turf looks the same and sometimes lighting plays a part. And yes, I was at the UH-Southern game.
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During the Mississippi State-Oklahoma State game, AstroTurf for the first time was used in Reliant Stadium. It was costly in that Mississippi State lost 3 starting players to lower extremity injuries.........Safety Jay Hughes left with an Achilles injury, while corner Jamerson Love left with an ankle injury with possible knee injury . Neither returned and are expected to be lost for the season. Offensive lineman Justin Malone left the game in the fourth quarter with a significant non-specified leg injury and may or may not be lost for the season.
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They were using the field turf for HS games towards the end of last season.
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They were using the field turf for HS games towards the end of last season.
You're right forgot all about that.......the Thanksgiving games last year.
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