Who is the real Gary Kubiak??

[Hookem Horns]

Here we go again with the "this loss is on me" line. We know it's on you Kubiak so you don't have to keep repeating that like a parrot after every loss.

[IlliniJen]

Originally Posted by Say Watt

Yep. I couldn't agree more. I'm not necessarily saying he should be fired, but the end of the first half summed up Kubiak for me. There is over 30 seconds on the clock, we have three timeouts, and the chance to at least try and get in field goal range. And hell, what if Keshawn Martin returns one to the house? Does he not even want to give him the chance?!?

For me, Kubiak is just a p***y. He refuses to play to win. The only thing he knows how to do is play not to lose. It's just infuriating. I'm not saying that I don't think we can win with Gary Kubiak. But I am saying I'd feel a lot more comfortable if it were someone like Chucky.

Guys, how is ANY of this different from a couple years ago?

Kubiak has shown the same tendencies for the last couple of years. Nothing has changed with his coaching philosophy and lack of game-day prowess. The only thing that has changed is Wade and the talent.

To me, the offense is very much a rhythm offense...if they can get in it, run the ball well, then the machine just starts running. The play action works, they can move the chains and score. But, if the offense is challenged, knocked around, thrown off their rhythm, they don't seem to have a response. They don't have a plan B or plan C to get the job done.

OMG...just heard on the radio right now a quote from Kubiak: it's on him, guys. The loss is on him.

I'm trying not to be a negative nelly...I'm telling myself that even great teams have ugly losses and hopefully we got all the ugly out last night for the season, but Kubes doesn't change. He's the smartest guy in the room...according to him. So why should he change?

If you can't make the changes at halftime to move to that plan B or plan C, you can't win tough games against good teams that are willing to do something different. If you're in a playoff game trailing at halftime, and the offense is stalling because the defense isn't letting them play their game, do you have any faith in Kubes that he can make winning adjustments?

I've been a fire Kubiak girl for a long time, but shut my mouth because success is success, regardless of the reason. I could start up again with my fire Kubiak drum beating, but it's not going to happen. We know what his limitations are...but since we're not a 6-10 team, there's no reason for McNair to make any changes.

We're a team with two great coordinators that can't make that mental leap to being a successful head coach. While we look unbeatable in some games, the lack of a great HC mentality is going to cost us in a big game sometime in the future. This wasn't a big game...it was one loss to bring us to 5-1. I worry about the post season. I worry that we can only go so far unless we get exceptionally lucky.

[Double Barrel]

Who is the real Wade Phillips?

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Who is the real Wade Phillips?

a guy who could use DeMeco back and an edge rush.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Vinny

a guy who could use DeMeco back and an edge rush.

You ain't kidding about that. Our defense looks eerily similar to a lot of Wade's second-year-as-DC-defenses. I was trying to stay optimistic before the game that they could scheme away the loss of Cushing...but...ahhhh....not so much....

Dr. Aaron Rodgers was performing surgery on them like a paint-by-the-numbers operation. I'm not sure, but that may have been an accidental sex change out there.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

You ain't kidding about that. Our defense looks eerily similar to a lot of Wade's second-year-as-DC-defenses. I was trying to stay optimistic before the game that they could scheme away the loss of Cushing...but...ahhhh....not so much....

Putting Quinn in the box as a linebacker didn't work so well...didn't improve coverage and was useless vs the run.

[silvrhand]

Once we went down 14 points the game got very one sided for us. I for the life of me do not know why we came out throwing the ball against a defense that had their star defensive guy out on the DL.

We should have come out running it down their throat, I would have been okay with 75%/25% run for the first 3-4 series, we went the other way..

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by silvrhand

Once we went down 14 points the game got very one sided for us. I for the life of me do not know why we came out throwing the ball against a defense that had their star defensive guy out on the DL.

We should have come out running it down their throat, I would have been okay with 75%/25% run for the first 3-4 series, we went the other way..

Kubiak reverting to the smartest guy in the room gameplans.

[Playoffs]

Originally Posted by LondonTex

As relatively new Texans fan, why do fans dislike Kubiak (based on previous seasons)? Is this the general consensus among Texans fans?

No, it's only the consensus of a minority of "what have you done for me lately" temper tantrum types. Most fans woke up this morning happy to have a 5-1 record.

Originally Posted by LondonTex

I quite like him and I also like Wade...I haven't followed the team for long enough to build an informed opinion yet. Cheers

I'm with you, I like them, too.

[BlackFizz]

Originally Posted by BlackFizz

As a die hard Texans fan, i'm starting to get a bit confused. For years all i heard from Texan fans is that Kubes is inept. Most fans and local media called for his job after the 2010 season. I heard that he coaches not to lose. I heard that he is in over his head in big games, he cant call plays in the red zone, he has never utilized AJ in the red zone properly (lack of fade routes inside the 15 or ten against one on ones) ect.

This year i'm hearing that now he is the best play caller in the league. An offensive guru, the most creative play caller in all of football. He has all his weapons at his disposal now, so now the league will finally see what true offensive genius looks like.

I admit the 3rd down runs and draws do concern me. The first drive of the game was a thing of beauty. But we only kicked 3 field goals for the most part of three quarters.

So is he the creative offensive genius we see from time to time, or the Kubes who most wanted run out of town just just a season and a half ago??

Did Wade Phillips truly save and inept Kubiak's job?

Or is Kubiak an offensive genius, who just needed little help on defense?

Can someone help me figure out just who in the hell Kubiak really is??!!

I'm a newbie to this board. I appreciate the responses on either side of the argument to my first post. It has been pretty entertaining so far.

I originally posted this question for one reason only.

CAN KUBIAK LEAD US TO A SUPERBOWL VICTORY??

I've been a Texans/Oilers fan since the late 70's. I'm tired of moral victories. Tired of excuses. I just want the Lombardi trophy. So i think it may be time to put Kubes on the couch.

I think i understand what what our head coach is going through. We have lost so many close games over the years that now i think he is shell shocked. He is too afraid to put the ball in Schaub's hands in critical times during the games because i fear that he always fears the worst. When he "turtles", i think that has alot to do with the previous years of losing close games we should have won. So we see him going into this mental shell ( like before halftime of last night's game).His fear of something "bad" happening trumped what was an obvious move which was to call a timeout and try to get some points on the board before the half. He has become way too predictable in essence because of fear. He does'nt want to take a risk, like throwing the the ball down the field on third and long because of fear. He wouldn't dare go for it on that 4th and 2 and opted for the "iffy"51 yard field goal because of fear. I see the theme.

I don't think Kubiak is garbage by any stretch. He is going to have to let go of HIS issues and trust Schaub not to make a crucial mistake, especially when we are facing a dominant offense who can put up points on our defense.

I know Kubiak will be here for a long time. I hope he can get over his issues, so at least we have a shot at a superbowl victory in the near future. Like him or not, we have to ride with him as fans of the team. He just has to start trusting himself and Schaub more.

If he does then embarrassments like last night game wont raise the ire of Texans fans as much as it does.

[Say Watt]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I'm pretty confused here, because you just posted this below the other day in this thread.



So which one is it? Do you think he is a good coach or a ***** of a HC? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand some of you guys that seem to jump back and forth on the fence with the guy with these extreme changes of opinions. Gary didn't change anything before this season or before this game. He is the same guy he was 3 years ago and 5 years ago. You either like his style of coaching or you don't. Kubiak is and always will be the same guy either way.

He has shown me over the last two weeks that he really hasn't changed as much as I would like to think. I don't think my shift was all that extreme. Over the last two weeks, and especially last night, our defense wasn't as dominating as it has been and when that happened, we saw our team fold. We saw Gary fold. Yes, Gary + Wade = a good head coach. But Gary by himself is a turtle. When things get scary, he shrivels back up into his shell. I was hoping he'd have changed by now and would have more confidence after the success the team has had. But he hasn't changed.

[silvrhand]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Kubiak reverting to the smartest guy in the room gameplans.

[LondonTex]

Originally Posted by Playoffs

No, it's only the consensus of a minority of "what have you done for me lately" temper tantrum types. Most fans woke up this morning happy to have a 5-1 record.

I'm with you, I like them, too.

I'll be even happier with a 6-1 going into the bye!

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Kubiak reverting to the smartest guy in the room gameplans.

Do you prefer a HC with confidence problems? Someone that doesn't have faith and believe in his system? In case you aren't aware, all head coaches in this league think their game plan is the best.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Kubiak reverting to the smartest guy in the room gameplans.

Originally Posted by dream_team

Do you prefer a HC with confidence problems? Someone that doesn't have faith and believe in his system? In case you aren't aware, all head coaches in this league think their game plan is the best.

"smartest guy in the room" isn't a "confidence problem". It's a lack of confidence problem. You don't think you can line up and beat the other team straight up so you try to out-trick them....that's what the "smartest guy in the room" thing means.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Say Watt

He has shown me over the last two weeks that he really hasn't changed as much as I would like to think. I don't think my shift was all that extreme. Over the last two weeks, and especially last night, our defense wasn't as dominating as it has been and when that happened, we saw our team fold. We saw Gary fold. Yes, Gary + Wade = a good head coach. But Gary by himself is a turtle. When things get scary, he shrivels back up into his shell. I was hoping he'd have changed by now and would have more confidence after the success the team has had. But he hasn't changed.

Well, what are you thinking again now CKW? Lol!


I assume that your thoughts are the same as they were when you reverted back.

[BlackFizz]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Well, what are you thinking again now CKW? Lol!


I assume that your thoughts are the same as they were when you reverted back.

Well, i guess my question has been answered. He is definitely not a guru, he should have been fired, and we will never win a superbowl with this guy at the helm.