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View Poll Results: Who do you think would be our best #2 Wide Reciever
Jabar Gaffney 40 33.90%
Corey Bradford 19 16.10%
Jerome Mathis 33 27.97%
Derrick Armstrong 26 22.03%
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Old 06-02-2005   #21
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The problem with our receiving corp is we have no legit #2. We have an excellent #1, and a a group of guys suited to the #3 slot position (Gaff, Armstrong), and another group suited to the #4 spot (Bradford, Starling, Mathis, Sloan.) Maybe Mathis will shock me and step right into the #2 spot, but I highly doubt it. He is very raw, and came from a tiny College. I like our depth alot at WR, but who is the legit #2 to help take the pressure and double teams away from AJ?
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why would mathis what i thought to be a deep threat type reciever take gaffneys spot at slot?.....if anyone would take gaffney's spot at slot i would say armstrong.
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Mathis has played football back through HS including being an all-state WR and KR. Just because a player also runs track doesn't make them a track guy--for ex. Andre Johnson.
You, I, and the rest of the football fans in the country knew AJ was Co-MVP
of the Rose Bowl way back when he was a sophomore - his abilities and tremendous upside were establihed early on at the highest level of collegete competition. Nobody ever doubted he was a football player first and most of all and track, even though he was conference sprint champion, was strictly an incidental activity.
I appreciate knowing Mathis was an all-state football player, and that is something, but not too much as far as I'm concerned. I'm anxious to get a look at him in game type conditions. I know he's fast, but beyond that, I dunno....
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You, I, and the rest of the football fans in the country knew AJ was Co-MVP
of the Rose Bowl way back when he was a sophomore - his abilities and tremendous upside were establihed early on at the highest level of collegete competition. Nobody ever doubted he was a football player first and most of all and track, even though he was conference sprint champion, was strictly an incidental activity.
I appreciate knowing Mathis was an all-state football player, and that is something, but not too much as far as I'm concerned. I'm anxious to get a look at him in game type conditions. I know he's fast, but beyond that, I dunno....
That's getting at the distinction I was trying to make. There is a fair debate/concern over small school players. IMO there isn't a fair criticism/concern over his not being a football player.
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That's getting at the distinction I was trying to make. There is a fair debate/concern over small school players. IMO there isn't a fair criticism/concern over his not being a football player.
Although Cass is a great spin master who tends to talk out of both sides of his mouth at times, I agree with his statement when he said Mathis was a football player, who was also a track star, not a track star who was also a football player. For those old enough to remember, this is not a situation like when the Cowboys drafted Carl Lewis.
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2wr, 3wr...numbers don't matter too much since Gaffney and Armstrong likely stay in the slot while Bradford/Mathis stay at the Z outside split out.
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Cuz,

Bradford is toast... and he better know it as part of his financial planning. Why else did Houston draft a "not a track guy" like Mathis" for a speed play?

I see AJ, Gaffney and Mathis...

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2wr, 3wr...numbers don't matter too much since Gaffney and Armstrong likely stay in the slot while Bradford/Mathis stay at the Z outside split out.
It matter in 2 WR sets. If we run a doube TE set, or one TE and an i-formation set, then we only have two WR's on the field.
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Well, we will play based on matchups, so I don't think it matters much. The guys have different skill sets and will be used for different matchups.
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Although Cass is a great spin master who tends to talk out of both sides of his mouth at times, I agree with his statement when he said Mathis was a football player, who was also a track star, not a track star who was also a football player. For those old enough to remember, this is not a situation like when the Cowboys drafted Carl Lewis.
I would say "Hayes"..........
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I would say "Hayes"..........
Then I would say beeeep thanks for playing. Hayes affected the way the game is presently played and many think should be in the hall of fame. If anything he would be a poster child for tacking track stars and turning them into football players.
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...I like our depth alot at WR, but who is the legit #2 to help take the pressure and double teams away from AJ?
Unless the Texans pickup Owens, Moss, or Harrison, AJ will see double teams. That's just a fact of life for great WRs. Jerry Rice saw double & triple teams during his salad years and still became the most prolific receiver the game will ever see. Jerry Rice would've been great if you had lined up on the other side, because Bill Walsh would have devised a scheme to get #80 the damn ball.

Want to know how to get the double teams off of AJ? Force the defense to blitz. That's how you get man coverage. If the Texans can pass block well enough against a 4 man rush, teams will bring the blitz. Then, the fun will begin.
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Want to know how to get the double teams off of AJ? Force the defense to blitz. That's how you get man coverage. If the Texans can pass block well enough against a 4 man rush, teams will bring the blitz. Then, the fun will begin.
Exactly. Learn to pass protect first.
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Unless the Texans pickup Owens, Moss, or Harrison, AJ will see double teams. That's just a fact of life for great WRs. Jerry Rice saw double & triple teams during his salad years and still became the most prolific receiver the game will ever see. Jerry Rice would've been great if you had lined up on the other side, because Bill Walsh would have devised a scheme to get #80 the damn ball.

Want to know how to get the double teams off of AJ? Force the defense to blitz. That's how you get man coverage. If the Texans can pass block well enough against a 4 man rush, teams will bring the blitz. Then, the fun will begin.
Good points. Still, you can't help but wonder what a good #2 WR would do for AJ. Obviousely, pass protecting the QB forcing more blitzes would help, as would a dynamic RB. But, I still think a legit #2 who would demand alot more attention from defenses would also help AJ. The whole thing is sort of a symbiotic relationship, whereby each part enhances or subtracts from the other parts to form a whole...for better or worse. While I agree with your points, I don't think it subtracts from my own point.
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Jerome Mathis was drafted by the Texas. Is he any good? of I remember correctly he was drafted in the 4th round, and if I also remember he is a WR. I want us to talk about the potential he has to make become a starter.
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Jerome Mathis was drafted by the Texas. Is he any good? of I remember correctly he was drafted in the 4th round, and if I also remember he is a WR. I want us to talk about the potential he has to make become a starter.
If he proves himself on Sp. Teams 1st. If he's a beast returning kicks (he should win that job) then the coaches will want him on the field more as a #2 or #3. He could even run reverses and end arounds. Remember, he's a football guy 1st. Not some track star learning to play football. He's also got a little jaw in 'em which is what this team could use a little bit of. Some good ole' trash talk. I look foward to seeing him on the field. He's gonna get ALOT of playing time in the pre-season so don't miss it.
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You think or you hope ? I hope you're right, but so far to me Mathis is still just a track guy on the football field. What he may or may not have done at Hampton doesn't meant squat, because that level of competition is so far
beneath what he'll see in the NFL there's really no way to accurately measure his ability to compete effectively at the higher level. When we start to see him in some preseason games against real NFL corners, then we may get an inkling of any upside he might have.

You also have to take into account that we have one of the better corps of corners in the league right now... if he can hold his own in training camp and practice against these guys... who happen to be ultra competitive and give 110% on every down, practice or not... then I think that is a good indication of his potential to perform in the NFL.
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How is there a disscussion about a guy that hasn't played a down of professional football... and a fourth rounder at that?

I was wondered why Armstrong doesn't get more time... he catches EVERYTHING. I assume he just doesn't get open. But no, Mathis is not going to replace Gaffney this year. Anybody want to guess how many passes Mathis is going to catch???
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Her is my presumption. Week 1 will have
#1: AJ
#2: Bradford
#3: Gaffney
#4: Armstrong
#5: Mathis
#6: Starling

by week 6
#1: AJ
#2: 50/50 Bradford/Mathis
#3: Gaffney
#4: Armstrong
#5: Starling

I think 50/50 because, Mathis is not as polished as say Armstrong or Gaffney. Mathis will have to play on the outside at least until he can read NFL zones and has solid route running. Since Bradford is not a slot reciever, I see the Texans splitting time with Bradford and Mathis by mid-season.
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How is there a disscussion about a guy that hasn't played a down of professional football... and a fourth rounder at that?

I was wondered why Armstrong doesn't get more time... he catches EVERYTHING. I assume he just doesn't get open. But no, Mathis is not going to replace Gaffney this year. Anybody want to guess how many passes Mathis is going to catch???
9-15 with a TD not counting pre-season of course. Don't forget though that Dominick Davis was a 4th rounder who they expected to return kicks and be a 3rd down/situatiuonal/change of pace RB. Sounds eerily similar to what Mathis is faced with and is gonna be asked to do. On the Armstrong front, he is a Gaffney clone, good/great pair of hands, no speed or quicks what so ever, yet he is a practice marvel and that is what gets him noticed by the coaches and eventually on the field.
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