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Old 10-08-2012   #21
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I think Herring is an excellent position coach, however, based on how he called the defense in his three Wadeless games, I don't think he's a good play caller. He always used a blitz and was very predictable. Dan O scored a winning TD on us on what I believe was a zero blitz.

I don't want to derail what I think is a quality thread, but I can honestly say they would have won. The Rockets had the Bulls number. Olajuwon was unstoppable. I could break it down more than that, but I digress.
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I selfishly want Wade to stay because he is the best there is, and I don't want him to go elsewhere even if it benefits him. I want him to stay here.

So there, I said it.
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Can you honestly, with a straight face, say that if Jordan was playing in the NBA, the Rockets would have still won the title? If you can, then you're lying to yourself.
I can. For one, Jordan was burnt out of the NBA by that point. That's why he quit to play bad baseball.

The second thing is that you completely disrespect Hakeem Olajuwon with this stuff. He was at the apex of his domination, and the Bulls did not have an answer to deal with him. You act like Jordan alone could have overcome Olajuwon's brilliance, which did not happen when they played head-to-head, much less during the second Rockets championship WHEN JORDAN WAS BACK IN THE LEAGUE.

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Revisionist history. Not to mention that if Jordan were around for the first title, Vernon Maxwell matched up fairly well with him. Who was going to stop Dream?
Jordan hated playing Maxwell because Vernon was the only player that could get into his head and mess with his game.

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Can you honestly, with a straight face, say that if Jordan was playing in the NBA, the Rockets would have still won the title? If you can, then you're lying to yourself.

But having said that, if the Texans win it all, it won't be because "of a down year in the NFL." It will be because we legitimately have the best team in the NFL.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=olajuha01

They played 23 games against each other. Hakeem was 13 and 10 against Jordan led teams.

Your right about the second part though. San francisco, Atlanta and Houston are looking as strong as any top 3 teams of the last few years. Just because the top teams change does'nt mean they are not as good.
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I can. For one, Jordan was burnt out of the NBA by that point. That's why he quit to play bad baseball.

The second thing is that you completely disrespect Hakeem Olajuwon with this stuff. He was at the apex of his domination, and the Bulls did not have an answer to deal with him. You act like Jordan alone could have overcome Olajuwon's brilliance, which did not happen when they played head-to-head, much less during the second Rockets championship WHEN JORDAN WAS BACK IN THE LEAGUE.

The third thing is this:

Jordan hated playing Maxwell because Vernon was the only player that could get into his head and mess with his game.

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You, and everyone else, knows good and well, that this subject has been debated, discussed, and argued about for years and years. Some say it didn't matter if he played those two years, some say it did. Nobody's minds, after all this time, are ever going to get changed.

But the fact remains, the question remains, the debate remains, and the argument remains.

And therefore, the asterisk remains.

And no amount of revisionist history is going to change any of that.
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You, and everyone else, knows good and well, that this subject has been debated, discussed, and argued about for years and years. Some say it didn't matter if he played those two years, some say it did. Nobody's minds, after all this time, are ever going to get changed.

But the fact remains, the question remains, the debate remains, and the argument remains.

And therefore, the asterisk remains.

And no amount of revisionist history is going to change any of that.
So, the Bulls first Championship should have an asterick because of the Pistons being broken up and futhermore, the Bulls second 2 chips should have astericks, since Magic got AIDS and had to retire, and their last 3 Championships should also have an asterick, Because Patrick Ewing didn't have a supporting cast and the defending Champion Rockets traded away all their role players for Charles Barkley and Clyde got hurt for part of the season messing up the seeding. I get it!

Edit: Forgot Penny got hurt at some point too and Shaq left to the Lakers... Astericks for everyone thank you!
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You, and everyone else, knows good and well, that this subject has been debated, discussed, and argued about for years and years. Some say it didn't matter if he played those two years, some say it did. Nobody's minds, after all this time, are ever going to get changed.

But the fact remains, the question remains, the debate remains, and the argument remains.

And therefore, the asterisk remains.

And no amount of revisionist history is going to change any of that.
There's no effing asterisk any more than the Steelers get one when Tom Brady missed the season. As mentioned, the Rockets played well against the Bulls, in fact, the Rockets were 5-1 against the Bulls in the 3 seasons the Bulls rolled off their first 3 titles with MJ.

Ask MJ who he hated playing against the most - his answer - Vernon Maxwell.

It doesn't matter if MJ was there or not. The Rockets beat the top 3 teams in the NBA, who were all in the West, for the 2nd title, the season MJ DID PLAY and averaged 26.9 PPG and 31.5 in the playoffs. Dream was a freaking mad man, particularly against the Spurs, and the Rockets are in the history books with 2 titles - NO ASTERISKS!
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Had Jordan been foolish enough to play basketball in 1994 Hakeem Olajuwan, playing at a level unseen previously would have completely obliterated Jordan's best-of-all-time aura using his incredible "Dream Powers".

What powers you ask? I dunno how 'bout the power of flight?
That do anything for ya? That's levitation, Homes
How 'bout the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away
With mind bullets, that's telekinesis, Kyle
How 'bout the power to move you?

Yeah, it's kinda like that.
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This is almost like a VY thread on Shaggybevo.

Sacrilege, I tell ya. Just pure evil sacrilege.
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This is almost like a VY thread on Shaggybevo.

Sacrilege, I tell ya. Just pure evil sacrilege.
If you mean people making up a bunch of BS because they can't accept factual truth, then yeah, you're probably right.
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You, and everyone else, knows good and well, that this subject has been debated, discussed, and argued about for years and years. Some say it didn't matter if he played those two years, some say it did. Nobody's minds, after all this time, are ever going to get changed.

But the fact remains, the question remains, the debate remains, and the argument remains.

And therefore, the asterisk remains.

And no amount of revisionist history is going to change any of that.
I just checked NBA.com. No asterisk exists in official records.

Therefore, the asterisk is in your head. Imaginary. It's time to let it go, dude.
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