Kyle Turley: Would you want him? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Hottoddie · 05-31-2005

One website I read suggested that he might be a June 1 casualty. If he's cut & can pass a physical, would you sign him? He's only 29 years old & prior to last year, had only missed one game in the previous 6 years. He's got the kind of fire that this team needs & should have no problem taking over a leadership role on the Texans. He could be our starting LT & also has the versatility of playing RT as well. Would he be worth a shot, or would he be too much trouble?

dirty steve · 05-31-2005

turley plans do shift to the defensive line. so no, i don't see the texans pursuing him. plus, he might not ever play again.

YodAa · 06-01-2005

There would be no harm in bringing him in to help our line, because its not like we have the best OL in the history of the NFL.

dirty steve · 06-01-2005

turley is trying to move to the DL so he can play at a lesser weight, around 280. there is as more of a chance of turley playing OL for the texans than of me rooting for the girls.

El Tejano · 06-01-2005

That's right. Cuts are today. This may delay the Shelton deal a couple of days.

**infantrycak** · 06-01-2005

The last time Turley tried to play LT he gave up 13.5 sacks on the season and had more penalties than Wand. Plus, he is vastly underweight/condition right now and doesn't even want to play OL anymore. The grass is not always greener.

El Tejano · 06-01-2005

I trust that if we sign Shelton, Turley wont even get close to us nor we him.

TheOgre · 06-01-2005

He WAS a good RT, but we already have one of those in Wade. If Wiegert and Wade stay healthy this season, we should be okay on the right side of the line.

I would like to see Pitts stay at LG and continue to learn that position. He needs to stay in one place and develop. I think most of us realize that we don't have the players we want at LT and C. Until we have at least an average LT, we will have consistency issues offensively.

dalemurphy · 06-01-2005

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Originally Posted by TheOgre

He WAS a good RT, but we already have one of those in Wade. If Wiegert and Wade stay healthy this season, we should be okay on the right side of the line.

I would like to see Pitts stay at LG and continue to learn that position. He needs to stay in one place and develop. I think most of us realize that we don't have the players we want at LT and C. Until we have at least an average LT, we will have consistency issues offensively.

We have an average LT. I challenge you to name 20 LT's you would rather have than Wand- not to mention the fact that he's still learning/improving. The impatience of the people on this board is astounding.

Other than Freeney, I don't recall one defensive end coming totally free into Carr. Wand sent men wide often and held his ground pretty well. Most of those 15 sacks occured because of pocket pressure that forced Carr into the RDE (usually the team's best rusher), not because Wand got abused. He was sometimes overmatched but was hardly ever outright beaten.

Mr Shush · 06-01-2005

Regardless of talent, condition, where he wants to play and anything else, I would not want a guy with Turley's attitude anywhere near my team.

F-minus67 · 06-01-2005

Isn't Turley's back wrecked? I mean even when he was health a couple of years ago he let Warner get killed.

Mr Shush · 06-01-2005

I think it was more Martz's all-round philosophy that got Warner killed than anything else.

ojthecat · 06-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Mr Shush

Regardless of talent, condition, where he wants to play and anything else, I would not want a guy with Turley's attitude anywhere near my team.

I dont want him because physically he can't play on the offensive line anymore his back is shot he has said this. If he was his former self and had attitude issues I say so what. We are here to win games nothing more. Look Lawence Taylor had issues, so did Leon Lett, Michel Irvin, and on and on. Having choir boys is fine when you are an expansion team. That is over now it is time to win.

El Tejano · 06-01-2005

Wouldn't it be ironic that the man that discovered Chester Pitts in a grocery store and got Pitts into playing football would end up lining next to him on the same team?

Vambo, the Marble Eye · 06-01-2005

No, we do not need Kyle Turley... not now,and not ever.

He has played for too many losers. Besides how many people would agree with me that anybody that plays for more than a couple of seasons with the Saints is d'ain br'amaged.

So you have to ask at the point that as our talent level rises- we should have a TEAM comprised of people that know how to win.

Hervoyel · 06-01-2005

I didn't want him when he was healthy. I sure don't want him now.

**Vinny** · 06-01-2005

Turley has been a cancer everywhere he has been. I don't think we even consider him.

TheOgre · 06-01-2005

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I challenge you to name 20 LT's you would rather have than Wand.

These are the 22 that I KNOW are better than Wand right now. There might actually be more:

Matt Light New Eng.
Jason Fabini Jets
Jonathan Ogden Balt
Levi Jones Cinci
Ross Verba Cleve
Marvel Smith Pitt
Tarik Glenn Indi
Brad Hopkins Tenn
Matt Lepsis Denver
Willie Roaf KC
Barry Sims Oakland
Roman Oben San Diego
Flozell Adams Dallas
Tra Thomas Philly
Chris Samuels Wash
Jeff Backus Detroit
Chad Clifton Green Bay
Bryant McKinnie Minnesota
Wayne Gandy New Orleans
Leonard Davis Arizona
Orlando Pace St. Louis
Walter Jones Seattle

Hervoyel · 06-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOgre

These are the 22 that I KNOW are better than Wand right now. There might actually be more:

Matt Light New Eng.
Jason Fabini Jets
Jonathan Ogden Balt
Levi Jones Cinci
Ross Verba Cleve
Marvel Smith Pitt
Tarik Glenn Indi
Brad Hopkins Tenn
Matt Lepsis Denver
Willie Roaf KC
Barry Sims Oakland
Roman Oben San Diego
Flozell Adams Dallas
Tra Thomas Philly
Chris Samuels Wash
Jeff Backus Detroit
Chad Clifton Green Bay
Bryant McKinnie Minnesota
Wayne Gandy New Orleans
Leonard Davis Arizona
Orlando Pace St. Louis
Walter Jones Seattle

I'll take "Left Tackles that won't be available to the Houston Texans on opening day" for $1000 Alex!

Quite true I'm sure. I didn't think it would be that hard to find 20 guys better than Seth Wand, at least the 2004 version of Seth Wand.

I'm curious though whether any of the guys on your list have less experience than Seth or a similar amount of experience? Just wondering. I'd call last year his rookie season for all intents and purposes and I admit I'm not familiar with everyone up there (obviously the big names stand out). What did these guys, who are all better than Seth Wand, look like in their rookie season?

**Vinny** · 06-01-2005

Ross Verba is nothing more than a warmed over Guard and Wand as potential to be as good as probably 40% - 50% of that list. I don't see many second year starters on your list. Funny how the Texans fans cannot conceive that Wand will get better with coaching and time in the weight program like other young players.

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Hottoddie Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Houston Age: 54 Posts: 1,205 Rep Power: 503	Kyle Turley: Would you want him? One website I read suggested that he might be a June 1 casualty. If he's cut & can pass a physical, would you sign him? He's only 29 years old & prior to last year, had only missed one game in the previous 6 years. He's got the kind of fire that this team needs & should have no problem taking over a leadership role on the Texans. He could be our starting LT & also has the versatility of playing RT as well. Would he be worth a shot, or would he be too much trouble?

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dirty steve Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Friendswood Age: 37 Posts: 1,146 Rep Power: 13	turley plans do shift to the defensive line. so no, i don't see the texans pursuing him. plus, he might not ever play again. __________________ Co-Innovator of the TFD--established 2005

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YodAa All Pro Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston,TX Age: 23 Posts: 915 Rep Power: 9	There would be no harm in bringing him in to help our line, because its not like we have the best OL in the history of the NFL. __________________ Bucs Super Bowl XLI Champs

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dirty steve Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Friendswood Age: 37 Posts: 1,146 Rep Power: 13	turley is trying to move to the DL so he can play at a lesser weight, around 280. there is as more of a chance of turley playing OL for the texans than of me rooting for the girls. __________________ Co-Innovator of the TFD--established 2005

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infantrycak Lead Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 45 Posts: 37,770 Rep Power: 79626	The last time Turley tried to play LT he gave up 13.5 sacks on the season and had more penalties than Wand. Plus, he is vastly underweight/condition right now and doesn't even want to play OL anymore. The grass is not always greener. __________________ The Art of War

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El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	That's right. Cuts are today. This may delay the Shelton deal a couple of days.

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TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	He WAS a good RT, but we already have one of those in Wade. If Wiegert and Wade stay healthy this season, we should be okay on the right side of the line. I would like to see Pitts stay at LG and continue to learn that position. He needs to stay in one place and develop. I think most of us realize that we don't have the players we want at LT and C. Until we have at least an average LT, we will have consistency issues offensively.

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Mr Shush Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oxford, England Age: 30 Posts: 176 Rep Power: 9	Regardless of talent, condition, where he wants to play and anything else, I would not want a guy with Turley's attitude anywhere near my team.

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F-minus67 Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Middletown,CT Age: 26 Posts: 1,070 Rep Power: 11	Isn't Turley's back wrecked? I mean even when he was health a couple of years ago he let Warner get killed. __________________ "Democracy is not for the people." - Judge Dredd

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Vambo, the Marble Eye Veteran Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 174 Rep Power: 9	No, we do not need Kyle Turley... not now,and not ever. He has played for too many losers. Besides how many people would agree with me that anybody that plays for more than a couple of seasons with the Saints is d'ain br'amaged. So you have to ask at the point that as our talent level rises- we should have a TEAM comprised of people that know how to win. __________________ "A man has to know his limitations" -Outlaw Josie Wales

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Hervoyel The Right Track Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 12,911 Rep Power: 61005	I didn't want him when he was healthy. I sure don't want him now. __________________ A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX

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Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Turley has been a cancer everywhere he has been. I don't think we even consider him. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

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