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Old 05-31-2005   #1
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Ok, Babin bashers. Take this...Babin made Brandt's all under-25 defensive team. Someone out there is paying attention. Babin is on the frontpage of NFL.com right now as well.


DE Dwight Freeney Indianapolis Feb. 19, 1980
DE Ty Warren New England Feb. 6, 1981
DT Dewayne Robertson N.Y. Jets Oct. 16, 1981
DT Kevin Williams Minnesota Aug. 16, 1980
Pass rush
specialist Jared Allen Kansas City April 3, 1982
MLB Nick Barnett Green Bay May 27, 1981
OLB D.J. Williams Denver July 20, 1982
OLB Will Witherspoon Carolina Aug. 19, 1980
3-4 LB Terrell Suggs Baltimore Oct. 11, 1982
3-4 LB Jason Babin Houston May 24, 1980
CB Dunta Robinson Houston April 11, 1982
CB DeAngelo Hall Atlanta Nov. 19, 1983
SS Troy Polamalu Pittsburgh April 19, 1981
FS Madieu Williams Cincinnati Oct. 18, 1981
P Mike Scifres San Diego Oct. 8, 1980
PK Nate Kaeding San Diego March 26, 1982
ST Bryan Scott Atlanta April 13, 1981

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Babin is one of my favorites and I never expected to see him on a list like that, this soon anyway...
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And Andre Johnson is on the Offensive Squad....now if we can just put it all together..
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COOOOOL!! He had a very solid rookie season and seems to have been recognized a bit for it.
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It's good to see Babin and D-Rob getting some recognition, but it's hard to believe that Brandt left Vilma AND Sean Taylor off of his list...
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It's good to see Babin and D-Rob getting some recognition, but it's hard to believe that Brandt left Vilma AND Sean Taylor off of his list...
...and Domanick Davis is on Brandt's unheralded list for the players taken in the later rounds.
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It's good to see Babin and D-Rob getting some recognition, but it's hard to believe that Brandt left Vilma AND Sean Taylor off of his list...
I agree, and Vilma is the reigning DROY
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Wow we had Andre Johnson on the front page when he had his offensive under 25 team, and now Babin is in the front page. I agree with D Rek that they should have put Taylor and Vilma. I think Vilma is better than Barnett, and Taylor is better than Williams.
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It's good to see Babin and D-Rob getting some recognition, but it's hard to believe that Brandt left Vilma AND Sean Taylor off of his list...
That's because it's and all UNDER 25 list, not an all rookie list.
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Good job boys. This makes me feel better.
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That's because it's and all UNDER 25 list, not an all rookie list.
OLB D.J. Williams Denver July 20, 1982
OLB Jason Babin Houston May 24, 1980
CB Dunta Robinson Houston April 11, 1982
CB DeAngelo Hall Atlanta Nov. 19, 1983

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If you guys just read the article he explains that there are guys who should be there. He's probably just showcasing the depth of the talent more than some fan favorites here and there.
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The average NFL fan is in for a treat in the coming years as there is a plentiful amount of great, young defensive talent.

For instance, if you were a head coach and desired a young safety, whom would you pick from Seattle's Ken Hamlin, Philadelphia's Michael Lewis, Pittsburgh's Chris Hope, Carolina's Colin Branch, Indianapolis' Bob Sanders and New England's Eugene Wilson? Pretty much anyone you pick out of that bunch will do the job well. But not only couldn't we pick one of those guys, we actually chose other guys!

If a player you would expect to see didn't make the team, it doesn't mean he's not good. It probably means I didn't have room for him on our already-overloaded roster.
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That's because it's and all UNDER 25 list, not an all rookie list.
And?

You're telling me that Madieu Williams, who was a rookie last year, is better than Sean Taylor? Let's compare the numbers:

Williams:
103 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 INTs, 7 passes def., and 0 FF in 16 games

Taylor:
76 tackles, 1 sack, 4 INTs, 9 passes def., and 2 FF in 15 games

Williams got more tackles but Taylor caused more turnovers, which is more important IMO...

As for Barnett vs Vilma, it really is a push if you look at their numbers, but I agree with Brandt in giving the edge to Barnett since he has had two good years as opposed to Vilma's one...
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Those are pretty impressive numbers for Williams. I can see why someone would be excited about this young guy. It's just one man's opinion. Barnett is a heck of a linebacker too.
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Definately nice to see our young guys get some recognition.
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You're telling me that Madieu Williams, who was a rookie last year, is better than Sean Taylor?

As for Barnett vs Vilma, it really is a push if you look at their numbers, but I agree with Brandt in giving the edge to Barnett since he has had two good years as opposed to Vilma's one...
Williams isn't as good as Taylor, but I wouldn't dismiss him as a talent. Considering that he started at FS, SS, & CB during the '04 season, I'd say Madieu was a pretty valuable member of the Bengals' defense & will be heard from for quite awhile. And if you consider that Taylor has brought some negative pub on himself, it's not hard to understand why he was left off the NFL.com list.

I think if you take a look at the team numbers of the Jets defense, you'd see what kind of impact Vilma had. In '03, the Jets were 28th in the NFL in rushing defense. After drafting Vilma & inserting him into the MLB spot, the Jets run defense ranked 5th. Some feel that Barnett is playing out of position at MLB and would be better suited at WOLB. I think Brandt missed on this one.
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Williams isn't as good as Taylor, but I wouldn't dismiss him as a talent. Considering that he started at FS, SS, & CB during the '04 season, I'd say Madieu was a pretty valuable member of the Bengals' defense & will be heard from for quite awhile. And if you consider that Taylor has brought some negative pub on himself, it's not hard to understand why he was left off the NFL.com list.

I think if you take a look at the team numbers of the Jets defense, you'd see what kind of impact Vilma had. In '03, the Jets were 28th in the NFL in rushing defense. After drafting Vilma & inserting him into the MLB spot, the Jets run defense ranked 5th. Some feel that Barnett is playing out of position at MLB and would be better suited at WOLB. I think Brandt missed on this one.
Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way bashing Williams, but I think that Taylor is a better player...I realize he has gotten plenty of negative attention due to him wanting a new contract but Brandt didn't even mention him in his article when he was mentioning the young standout safeties...

Regarding Vilma, I'm not certain that he's the only reason that the Jets improved their run D so drastically, since they also signed Eric Barton, who had a pretty good year also...Barnett probably is playing out of position but he has put together two very good years...I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree...
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I've been nothing but impressed with Barnett when I've watching him play. He always seems to be around the ball and plays with a high intensity level. Good call on that one.
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It's all about openions guys, maybe he was thinking about William's versatility, maybe williams is a better coverage guy and had less balls thrown his way??? Or maybe Williams plays better in the box than Taylor, although due to Taylor's size, I would doubt that, but who knows?? But out of that whole list their was only 4 rookies, this obviously wasn't all about rookies. Personaly, I would go with the guy who has the most versatility, but that's just my openion.
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Don't mean to be a spoilsport, but unless Brandt published this report before
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