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**kiwitexansfan** · 09-30-2012

Did you ever think you would see the day there would be a thread about KJ being a shut down corner?

For all those people wanting to cut his a$$ after his rookie year, just goes to show that patience actually is a virtue.

**EllisUnit** · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Rey

Loving it.

Was a week too early for Kareems breakout game, but damn...He looks great this year.

1 pick 6 TD does not make him a shutdown CB. He did pretty good today and has had a damn good season, still a solid #2 at best IMO.

TheMatrix31 · 09-30-2012

lol @ Kareem Jackson being a "shutdown" corner. There's like four or five of those in this league, max.

Insideop · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

We better have two shutdown corners if Shiloh Keo has to fill in for Demps.. commissioner Smith needs to pick up the bat phone and call Mr. Nolan.

Is Nolan still available? What about Eddie Pleasant? He's waiting on the PS.

Carr Bombed · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

lol @ Kareem Jackson being a "shutdown" corner. There's like four or five of those in this league, max.

Meh, it's a overblown label. Believe it or not, even "shutdown corners" get beat on occasion.. Replace "Shutdown corner" with "Probowl corner" and there's still only a handful in the league.

Carr Bombed · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Insideop

Is Nolan still available? What about Eddie Pleasant? He's waiting on the PS.

I think he is.. last I heard the Dolphins cut him.

MojoMan · 09-30-2012

This should be a lesson to everyone here who is inclined to throw a player under the bus after a bad first year starting as a rookie.

TEXANRED · 09-30-2012

Yes he is. Kid is playing like a stud.

Great job KJ!

**SAMURAITEXAN** · 09-30-2012

He has developed to be a good CB. Good thing that Wade took over our D and hired V Joseph as DB coach. I hope, KJ continues to play good and build up his confidence. With our front 7, our DBs will continue to produce results IMO.

Go Texans!!!

HJam72 · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by MojoMan

This should be a lesson to everyone here who is inclined to throw a player under the bus after a bad first year starting as a rookie.

Yeah, especially when it's a rookie corner forced into the starting role as the #1 corner on the team (at the time).

fiasco west · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Did you ever think you would see the day there would be a thread about KJ being a shut down corner?

For all those people wanting to cut his a$$ after his rookie year, just goes to show that patience actually is a virtue.

That goes for this whole franchise, it starts with McNair they have always had a tremendous amount of patience with whatever they do. Sometimes almost to a fault (HWSNBN era...)

**hradhak** · 09-30-2012

KJ has gotten a bum rap for 3 years. I think he's better than he used to be. He still doesn't turn his head around on bomb plays. That pass he defensed on the deep throw from Hasselbeck was as much luck sticking his hands up in the air.

That pick 6 is the first time I've seen him jump a route and he read it perfectly. I hope he continues to be aggressive, and I think he is becoming a solid #2, but he's far from shutdown.

Premier · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by hradhak

KJ has gotten a bum rap for 3 years. I think he's better than he used to be. He still doesn't turn his head around on bomb plays. That pass he defensed on the deep throw from Hasselbeck was as much luck sticking his hands up in the air.

slow-mo clearly showed kareem get his head around before sticking his hand out to knock the ball down..

TexansFanatic · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Premier

slow-mo clearly showed kareem get his head around before sticking his hand out to knock the ball down..

True.

Scooter · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

But JJo is injured and sucks now
- Fidder

i dont want to enter that discussion, but i can somewhat see what he's saying. JJo's all stud, and fiddler has said as much, but he ended last season at 100% shutdown and has started this season at 95% shutdown. still a top 3 cornerback, but just a step off from where he finished last season. today he was invisible - exactly as a shutdown corner should be. teams too afraid to even throw his direction.

some of that is perception more than reality though. for example last week joseph got "beat" on a play that wasnt his. he was in obvious cover 3 but the underneath coverage overplayed their assignments and he ended up having to chase the outside receiver across the field. looked bad on jjo in the moment, but after seeing the full tape he had great coverage.

2slik4u · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by HJam72

Yeah, especially when it's a rookie corner forced into the starting role as the #1 corner on the team (at the time).

...with no pass rush.

**EllisUnit** · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by HJam72

Yeah, especially when it's a rookie corner forced into the starting role as the #1 corner on the team (at the time).

wasnt quinn #1 and KJ #2

HJam72 · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit

wasnt quinn #1 and KJ #2

IDK, it probably went back and forth.

Carr Bombed · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Scooter

i dont want to enter that discussion, but i can somewhat see what he's saying. JJo's all stud, and fiddler has said as much, but he ended last season at 100% shutdown and has started this season at 95% shutdown. still a top 3 cornerback, but just a step off from where he finished last season. today he was invisible - exactly as a shutdown corner should be. teams too afraid to even throw his direction.

some of that is perception more than reality though. for example last week joseph got "beat" on a play that wasnt his. he was in obvious cover 3 but the underneath coverage overplayed their assignments and he ended up having to chase the outside receiver across the field. looked bad on jjo in the moment, but after seeing the full tape he had great coverage.

It's all perception.. JJo was "beat" at times last season as well. He was beat by a rookie receiver (granted a good one) who had a rookie QB throwing to him (again a good one) for a first half of a game, he then came back and responded/made adjustments and shut the rook down. He'll be "beat" at times this season. Even Revis gets "beat".

This whole idea of a "Shutdown corner" is rediculous. Nobody in this league goes a entire season without getting "beat". It's the players that can bounce back, make teams pay, and make teams think twice for throwing their way that are the elite players. JJo is one of those guys, he was last season and has been this season too.

thunderkyss · 09-30-2012

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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

But JJo is injured and sucks now
- Fidder

Don't put words in my mouth.

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TheMatrix31 Take A Bow Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: California Posts: 6,026 Rep Power: 14184	Re: Do we have 2 shutdown corners? lol @ Kareem Jackson being a "shutdown" corner. There's like four or five of those in this league, max.

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TEXANRED Texan-American Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 5,988 Rep Power: 12236	Re: Do we have 2 shutdown corners? Yes he is. Kid is playing like a stud. Great job KJ! __________________ I am in an abusive relationship with life and I am to cowardly to leave it. - Homer Simpson.

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SAMURAITEXAN Subscribed Contributor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2,801 Rep Power: 5955	Re: Do we have 2 shutdown corners? He has developed to be a good CB. Good thing that Wade took over our D and hired V Joseph as DB coach. I hope, KJ continues to play good and build up his confidence. With our front 7, our DBs will continue to produce results IMO. Go Texans!!!

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hradhak Site Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,279 Rep Power: 1733	Re: Do we have 2 shutdown corners? KJ has gotten a bum rap for 3 years. I think he's better than he used to be. He still doesn't turn his head around on bomb plays. That pass he defensed on the deep throw from Hasselbeck was as much luck sticking his hands up in the air. That pick 6 is the first time I've seen him jump a route and he read it perfectly. I hope he continues to be aggressive, and I think he is becoming a solid #2, but he's far from shutdown.

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