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Old 01-09-2014   #1361
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Good luck with happy feet and tossing it up in the NFL.
lol his die hards argue that he DOES NOT throw it up for grabs, he's just that clutch.
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lol his die hards argue that he DOES NOT throw it up for grabs, he's just that clutch.
I don't think he does it quite as often as is portrayed, but he does it often enough to be atleast a little bit concerning.
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I think a more accurate, less athletic Vick is the perfect comparison, actually.
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Tends to scramble too much when most of the time it's not needed.

He does throw a good ball though, but if he keeps scrambling in the NFL, he will get 20yd sacks like Keenum was getting.
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I don't think he does it quite as often as is portrayed, but he does it often enough to be atleast a little bit concerning.
Exactly. This is something I believe good coaching will fix. Didn't we just hire a QB guru?
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I think a more accurate, less athletic Vick is the perfect comparison, actually.
I keep seeing this comparison and I just can't buy into it. He isn't near the runner that Dick was. He's a far superior passer. Vic did what he did because of his speed. Manziel does what he does cause of this elusiveness. Manziel reminds me of a young Randall Cunningham.
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I don't think he does it quite as often as is portrayed, but he does it often enough to be atleast a little bit concerning.
Also mostly showing highlights from his freshman year. Anyone who pid attention would realize he improved immensely this year. I know of only one jump ball he threw and that was in the Alabama game
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I keep seeing this comparison and I just can't buy into it. He isn't near the runner that Dick was. He's a far superior passer. Vic did what he did because of his speed. Manziel does what he does cause of this elusiveness. Manziel reminds me of a young Randall Cunningham.
It's more style of play. Manziel is a far better passer. But he still uses his legs as his primary weapon instead of his arm. Vick was the same way. Explosive athlete with a great arm, but he couldn't play from the pocket. He had to moving at all times.

Manziel could be shaped into a Cunningham type player, but that isn't what he is at this point. He's shown that he is capable of making plays from the pocket, but he is uncomfortable sitting there. He wants to be on the move.
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Manziel reminds me of only one player...



Wore #4 in GB....




Almost identical to the T. Similar height, weight coming into the draft, similar styles, gun slinger mentality. Not sure how many saw Favre in college, I remember him playing against TAMU, used his legs as well. Not to the extend Manziel does, but could scramble around and sling a jump ball as well....


If Manziel has a game anywhere near what ol' #4 had, I take him in a heart beat. Only takes a creative mind and someone with some scrote to take the chance GB did with #4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbyA7lActIQ

Draft analysis on Favre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2M0xxX9Vw
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It's more style of play. Manziel is a far better passer. But he still uses his legs as his primary weapon instead of his arm. Vick was the same way. Explosive athlete with a great arm, but he couldn't play from the pocket. He had to moving at all times.

Manziel could be shaped into a Cunningham type player, but that isn't what he is at this point. He's shown that he is capable of making plays from the pocket, but he is uncomfortable sitting there. He wants to be on the move.
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I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm just saying he isn't that yet. A Cunningham type player would be best case scenario.

And just for argument's sake, in 16 years Cunningham only played 16 games three times.
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Manziel's arm talent doesn't approach Favre's. Not even the same hemisphere.
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Manziel's arm talent doesn't approach Favre's. Not even the same hemisphere.
It's not by much, especially coming out of college. Brett Favre was known to have an average arm strength before getting to GB. Holmgren helped fixed that by adjusting his throwing mechanics...That and Favre traded his 12 oz workout for a weight workout and built up his arm strength...

One of the reasons Atlanta traded him...
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Manziel's arm talent doesn't approach Favre's. Not even the same hemisphere.
10000% agree..
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Exactly. This is something I believe good coaching will fix. Didn't we just hire a QB guru?
Like I said before, I have major reservations about drafting a player if the plan is to "fix" his best quality once we draft him. If that's the plan then what does he bring to the table outside of that ability that makes him a better prospect than Bridgewater or Bortles?
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Interesting read

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I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm just saying he isn't that yet. A Cunningham type player would be best case scenario.

And just for argument's sake, in 16 years Cunningham only played 16 games three times.
I'm not talking about the Cunningham played 16 years and NFL. I'm talking about a young Randall Cunningham. Say his first 2 or three years. And until Manziel shows he has injury problems, I'm not too worried about that. The rules now are in favor of the QB and I believe he can be broke of his bad habits. I'm more concerned with Bridgewaters frail body not being able to take punishment than Manziels style of play.
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Like I said before, I have major reservations about drafting a player if the plan is to "educate him on how to effectively use" his best quality once we draft him. If that's the plan then what does he bring to the table outside of that ability that makes him a better prospect than Bridgewater or Bortles?
I think what I put in bold would be a better choice of words...
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