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Old 01-07-2014   #1281
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there's only 1 Tarkenton and there will never be another. & i'm not saying that b/c Tarkenton was just that good. I'm saying it b/c defensive players and schemes have evolved.

I know Vick was Manziel's football idol growing up, but as good of an athlete as he is, He's not close to the athlete Vick was when he came out. Furthermore, b/c of his idol, The NFL has now become much more adept at containing mobile qbs. In the end, his running & escapability won't matter if he can't beat teams passing the ball. If not, The LSU games are a primer for what's he's gonna see week in, week out in the NFL.


Cleveland better lock up Darryl Bevell as their HC. B/c if they draft him & there's any other coach there, he won't have success.
Maybe/maybe not,

Agree with you on Bevell regardless if they draft JM.
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there's only 1 Tarkenton and there will never be another. & i'm not saying that b/c Tarkenton was just that good. I'm saying it b/c defensive players and schemes have evolved.

I know Vick was Manziel's football idol growing up, but as good of an athlete as he is, He's not close to the athlete Vick was when he came out. Furthermore, b/c of his idol, The NFL has now become much more adept at containing mobile qbs. In the end, his running & escapability won't matter if he can't beat teams passing the ball. If not, The LSU games are a primer for what's he's gonna see week in, week out in the NFL.


Cleveland better lock up Darryl Bevell as their HC. B/c if they draft him & there's any other coach there, he won't have success. & even if bevell's there will still be long odds.
I really don't think much of Bevell as a QB maker tbh. He's had some stops at teams which featured some ugly QB play. I believe the Vikings and Browns were both previous stops of his (without looking this up).
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Yep! 99% of his criticism is just hate. People either don't like Manziel the person or they despise the attention that he's drawn.
There have been many people on this board (me included) who have given valid reasons why we don't like Manziel as an NFL prospect. That's not hate.
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There have been many people on this board (me included) who have given valid reasons why we don't like Manziel as an NFL prospect. That's not hate.
Don't kid yourself.
Anything that is not effusive praise, or outright idolatry is nothing but sheer hatred to Johnny Football's fans.
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There have been many people on this board (me included) who have given valid reasons why we don't like Manziel as an NFL prospect. That's not hate.
That's why I said 99%. There are valid concerns. However most of the negativity directed at Manziel is ridiculous. Not being combative but how about making a comparison between Manziel and Bridgewater thread. Show each players strenghts and weaknesses. I would be real interested in your takes.
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Imagine how much better Florida State could've been if Johnny Manziel had been their QB.
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Don't kid yourself.

Anything that is not effusive praise, or outright idolatry is nothing but sheer hatred to Johnny Football's fans.

Incorrect. It's simply that there are some (definitely not all) Manziel "haters" that just seem to get downright angry when they talk about him. Hate certainly seems appropriate for some of those individuals.
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Incorrect. It's simply that there are some (definitely not all) Manziel "haters" that just seem to get downright angry when they talk about him. Hate certainly seems appropriate for some of those individuals.
Not to mention those who don't actually pay attention and claim "all he does is throw up jump balls for his receivers".
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Imagine how much better Florida State could've been if Johnny Manziel had been their QB.
Lol, there isn't a "much better" than what Winston & FSU did. They beat every team they faced by 14 or more points. They're best player won the heisman & he led them to the National Championship.

& before you say "well they could've won by XX amount more of points with Johnny", realize that Winston didn't even play in the 4th in any of FSU's regular season games b/c they were so dominant....

Anything to prop up ol' johnny.
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Imagine how much better Florida State could've been if Johnny Manziel had been their QB.
Yeah but imagine what Texas A&M could have been this year with Florida State's defense!
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Not to mention those who don't actually pay attention and claim "all he does is throw up jump balls for his receivers".
That is pretty much all he does.....
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That is pretty much all he does.....
I present to you, the court, Exhibit A.
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I present to you, the court, Exhibit A.
Lol, ya'll can get mad, but deep down, ya'll know Mike Evans erases alot of WTF throws for that dude...You'd never condone many of those throws if you were his coach.
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I know Vick was Manziel's football idol growing up, but as good of an athlete as he is, He's not close to the athlete Vick was when he came out.
Please elaboarate. Based on what?

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That is pretty much all he does.....
Blind hatred suits you well grasshopper.
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Lol, y'all can get mad, but deep down, y'all know Mike Evans erases alot of WTF throws for that dude...You'd never condone many of those throws if you were his coach.
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That is pretty much all he does.....
You mean like the last touchdown he threw against Alabama game last year and the last one he threw against Duke in the bowl game?

In fact, out of his 30 completions in the bowl game NOT ONE was a "jump ball" throw.

Haters just gonna blindly hate.
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Don't kid yourself.
Anything that is not effusive praise, or outright idolatry is nothing but sheer hatred to Johnny Football's fans.
Don't kid yourself.
Anything that is said positive about Manziel is considered effusive praise, or outright idolatry.
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Don't kid yourself.
Anything that is said positive about Manziel is considered effusive praise, or outright idolatry.
I can agree with that. Of course, I'm squarely on the fence about Mr. Football.
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And I rest my case. Pure ignorant hate.
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