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Old 01-01-2014   #1181
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What don't you like about Manziel? I'd of courser prefer him to be a bit taller but I can live with his size. The only thing that scares me about him is later in the season teams started keeping him in the pocket and limiting his scrambling ability and his performance dropped a bit, BUT he was also playing with a hurt shoulder (from the Auburn game) and I believe a tweaked thumb. It's tough to know if he struggled due to being banged up or if he simply struggles when being forced to stay in the pocket.

The things I really like about him are his field vision and his will to win. Those can be really tough to coach.
I like a QB with great arm strength and accuracy. JM and Bridgewater have accuracy but lack the arm strngth to become a top level pro QB. It's possible they could develop the arm strength but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe after seeing Schaub's lack of arm strength and how it limited the offense over the yrs I'm jaded. Lack of arm strength and lack of height concern me as to how JM's game will translate to the next level.

I do rate JM slightly ahead of Bridgewater. Bortles is my #1 QB this yr followed by Mettenberger.

1. Bortles
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Well let's start with the two positions you called out -- OL and WR. Matthews is currently a top 5 projected pick and the #1 lineman in the draft. Evans is one of the top two wideouts in football. Both are likely first round picks. If Ogbuehi leaves he could easily go in the first as well. Texas A&M is likely to have more offensive players taken in the first round than any other college. How can you MISS their talent on that side of the ball?
Yeah, blaming an extremely talented supporting cast makes zero sense.
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Well let's start with the two positions you called out -- OL and WR. Matthews is currently a top 5 projected pick and the #1 lineman in the draft. Evans is one of the top two wideouts in football. Both are likely first round picks. If Ogbuehi leaves he could easily go in the first as well. Texas A&M is likely to have more offensive players taken in the first round than any other college. How can you MISS their talent on that side of the ball?
Mathews is the most over rated Player in this draft. Evans is good as I said. So who else is top rated player? One over rated OL and one really good WR is does not constitute "surrounded by talent". Minus QB, There are way more talented offenses out there.
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Yup, same **** different player. Texans always falling in love with the local talent. It's going to be a long offseason.
Just like you falling in love with a Seminole QB?
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I like a QB with great arm strength and accuracy. JM and Bridgewater have accuracy but lack the arm strngth to become a top level pro QB. It's possible they could develop the arm strength but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe after seeing Schaub's lack of arm strength and how it limited the offense over the yrs I'm jaded. Lack of arm strength and lack of height concern me as to how JM's game will translate to the next level.

I do rate JM slightly ahead of Bridgewater. Bortles is my #1 QB this yr followed by Mettenberger.

1. Bortles
2. Mettenberger
3. McCarron
4. Johny Football
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So would you consider taking Bortles #1 overall?
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Yeah, blaming an extremely talented supporting cast makes zero sense.
Extremely talented? Who? There are two guys that will be drafted. Who else is even draftable on that offense? Maybe the one other OL he mentioned.
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So would you consider taking Bortles #1 overall?
He's rated #2 on my board right now. I do want to see how Bortles does in his bowl game and the combine. So these rankings are subject to change.

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I don't know if O'Brien will think Manziel is the guy. If he does then I'm riding with it 100%. If not I wish him success whenever he's not playing the Texans. The fact that there is a grown man discrediting him because of his first name is comical. Sounds like someone else needs to grow up.

The performance he had yesterday was off the charts.
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Can we please knock it off with the Matthews crap now? It's pretty obvious he isn't a #1 talent.
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Manziel is changing my mind a little bit. I still don't want to draft him, but not for the same reasons.

His skill set is exciting as hell. But it's also not sustainable at the NFL level. It just isn't. The #1 reason I don't want him on the Texans is because he will have to change his style of play to adjust to the pro level. And that scares me. I don't like evaluating him as an elite prospect based on skills that will have to be altered for him to succeed long term in the NFL.

There is now no doubt in my mind that Manziel could be a star in the NFL for three or four years before he gets worn down and is forced to alter his style of play. But is that small window worth the #1 pick?

I would just prefer that someone else take the risk. No QB has ever been successful in the NFL long term by playing the way he does. He's too reliant on his legs. He can either play that way and be great for a short time or he can change it and risk losing what makes him special.

I'm not saying he can't be a successful NFL QB. I'm just saying that he needs a ton of work and I would rather another franchise take the risk.
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Really? <-- That guy?

He's funny & all, a cool cat.... but get a couple beers in him & he'll think anybody is "the guy"
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is it just me or his manziel the anti-luck. imagine those two going up against it twice a year i think it would become quite a rivalry for many years
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Manziel is changing my mind a little bit. I still don't want to draft him, but not for the same reasons.

His skill set is exciting as hell. But it's also not sustainable at the NFL level. It just isn't. The #1 reason I don't want him on the Texans is because he will have to change his style of play to adjust to the pro level. And that scares me. I don't like evaluating him as an elite prospect based on skills that will have to be altered for him to succeed long term in the NFL.

There is now no doubt in my mind that Manziel could be a star in the NFL for three or four years before he gets worn down and is forced to alter his style of play. But is that small window worth the #1 pick?

I would just prefer that someone else take the risk. No QB has ever been successful in the NFL long term by playing the way he does. He's too reliant on his legs. He can either play that way and be great for a short time or he can change it and risk losing what makes him special.

I'm not saying he can't be a successful NFL QB. I'm just saying that he needs a ton of work and I would rather another franchise take the risk.
This is what I keep thinking but...

he has reduced his '1-2-run' quite a bit this season. If he had an across the board better oline not just OTs and Foster? I would compare his WRs in college to AJ and Hopkins. If you got Manziel on a trade down and could add say Cyril Richardson in late first for LG and JuWuan James in third the Oline would look pretty solid & perhaps Johnny would rely even more on his arm. He just seems to be Pam in a skillet & makes things happens. He usually has at least one highlight play each game. He has an arm, accuracy (80% against Duke with 10 avg.) and football smarts. He is a leader personified and if we like new coach because of his "get in your face" approach, Manziel is his clone.

Two things I keep thinking. McCarron is knocked because he does everything correct including wins and has not had to carry a team.

Manziel is knocked because we cannot imagine his game lasting in the NFL.

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Yup, same **** different player. Texans always falling in love with the local talent. It's going to be a long offseason.
So much truth in this simple post its ridiculous.....got dudes in here suggesting in so many words for us to draft a guy b/c he's "exciting"..... Lol. Its the most ridiculous thing i've heard in a while.


And while i couldn't stand VY, he was a much more exciting player imo..i dont remember him putting up very many stinkers and dude was single handedly winning games...what he did in those 2 rose bowl games alone is light years better than anything exciting Manziel did...
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So much truth in this simple post its ridiculous.....got dudes in here suggesting in so many words for us to draft a guy b/c he's "exciting"..... Lol. Its the most ridiculous thing i've heard in a while.


And while i couldn't stand VY, he was a much more exciting player imo..i dont remember him putting up very many stinkers and dude was single handedly winning games...what he did in those 2 rose bowl games alone is light years better than anything exciting Manziel did...
Yep, VY was God. Imagine what he could've done with a decent defense. Why he could've put up Manziel-like numbers against top-rated defenses. Oh wait...

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Didn't know his name is Jonathan. In that case it's Jonny Football.
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is it just me or his manziel the anti-luck. imagine those two going up against it twice a year i think it would become quite a rivalry for many years
Nope, you got it, Johnny Football is going to be the new, "Greatest Show on Turf".
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Extremely talented? Who? There are two guys that will be drafted. Who else is even draftable on that offense? Maybe the one other OL he mentioned.
Umm if those three and Johnny all go in the first that would be a record for first round picks from one school on offense.
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