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Old 01-01-2014   #1161
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The argument is about the QB's not the overall teams. Plus The losses for A&M had little to do with Manziel's play.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=333270099
Johnny had 224 yards passing and 54 rushing, with 1 TD and 2 INT's for a QBR of 14.9.

http://www.ncaa.com/game/football/fb...as-am-missouri
JFF manages 195 passing yards and a TD with his 21 rushing yards. A slightly more respectable QBR of 47.1.

I'd argue McCarron outplayed him as well. So in three of their four losses his counterpart across the field played better than him and led their team to a win, but the losses had little to do with Manziel's play?
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I'm sorry, regardless of what I think of his ability. I can't take a grown man who calls himself "Johnny" seriously. There's a time in point where Timmy needs to become Tim, Teddy needs to become Ted, and Johnny needs to become John.

It may sound silly, but let's say we do draft him and he is a great success and has a long career... when he's pushing 40 are we still going to call him Johnny, or "Johnny football"?
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So, you still can't do it? You know, there's a reason for that.

Funny that your whole premise is bull****, but you act like I'm making something up?

I'm sorry your brain can't wrap itself around BIG-12 THEN vs. SEC - now. I'll go slow for you. End of season top-25 teams in '05 BIG12 - 5 ranked. End of season top-25 teams in '13 for SEC? 6 ranked.

Let us know when you come up with a cognizant argument.

BTW - That's OU, not OH the Aggies destroyed last year.
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You forgot something. UT went undefeated against their competition, including a national title. A&M went 1-4 against their top 25 competition, beating only #24 Duke. They never played USC or UGa. In fact, UT had a harder strength of schedule in 2013 than A&M did.
the SEC now is a better conference than the big 12 in 2005.

in the 2005 season, the big 12 ended the season with 4 teams (texas, oklahoma, tech, and nebraska) ranked in the AP poll and 3 in the final BCS poll (done before bowl games).

in the 2013 season, the SEC ended the season with 7 teams (auburn, alabama, south carolina, missouri, lsu, georgia, texas a&m) ranked in the penultimate AP poll and 7 in the final BCS poll (again, before bowl games).

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I'm sorry, regardless of what I think of his ability. I can't take a grown man who calls himself "Johnny" seriously. There's a time in point where Timmy needs to become Tim, Teddy needs to become Ted, and Johnny needs to become John.

It may sound silly, but let's say we do draft him and he is a great success and has a long career... when he's pushing 40 are we still going to call him Johnny, or "Johnny football"?
you're right. johnny cash, johnny carson, johnny unitas, johnny bench; what a bunch of punks. who could possibly take these goons seriously?

his name is jonathan fwiw
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Why? What has he done to make you think that?
Seriously? Have you not followed his year? From selling his autographs to his money hand signals all year. He just seems arrogant to me.
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Seriously? Have you not followed his year? From selling his autographs to his money hand signals all year. He just seems arrogant to me.
None of that bothers me. To each his own I guess.
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Uh ha did you watch the game?
Are you seriously claiming that Manziel didn't stink it up against LSU?
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If Bill thinks Manziel is the guy, I'd be ok with it. Both Teddy and Johnny are very good QBs. I just have more doubts about Manziel than Bridgewater.
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Are you seriously claiming that Manziel didn't stink it up against LSU?
I'm saying the whole team stunk it up. His OL played horrible. When his WR's weren't dropping balls they were getting manhandled at the LOS throwing the timing off of throws. No QB would of made a difference in that game. A QB can only do so much. Even a great one.
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the SEC now is a better conference than the big 12 in 2005.

in the 2005 season, the big 12 ended the season with 4 teams (texas, oklahoma, tech, and nebraska) ranked in the AP poll and 3 in the final BCS poll (done before bowl games).

in the 2013 season, the SEC ended the season with 7 teams (auburn, alabama, south carolina, missouri, lsu, georgia, texas a&m) ranked in the penultimate AP poll and 7 in the final BCS poll (again, before bowl games).



you're right. johnny cash, johnny carson, johnny unitas, johnny bench; what a bunch of punks. who could possibly take these goons seriously?

his name is Jonathan fwiw
lol, Jonathan football FTW
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the SEC now is a better conference than the big 12 in 2005.

in the 2005 season, the big 12 ended the season with 4 teams (texas, oklahoma, tech, and nebraska) ranked in the AP poll and 3 in the final BCS poll (done before bowl games).


in the 2013 season, the SEC ended the season with 7 teams (auburn, alabama, south carolina, missouri, lsu, georgia, texas a&m) ranked in the penultimate AP poll and 7 in the final BCS poll (again, before bowl games).
I'm not arguing that. What I'm saying is they don't play each other, so it's not really a valid comparison. Again, Texas played a harder strength of schedule this year than A&M did. At the end of this season A&M played 1 more ranked team than UT did (A&M went 1-4, Texas went 1-3). I'm not saying Texas was better, or that the Big 12 was better overall. I'm saying that the SEC has an advantage with 14 teams and only 8 conference games over the Big 12 (which had 12 teams and 9 conference games in 2005 and plays round robin now). SEC teams can play one more creampuff OOC game and don't have to play all the giants that are in their conference.
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I'm saying the whole team stunk it up. His OL played horrible. When his WR's weren't dropping balls they were getting manhandled at the LOS throwing the timing off of throws. No QB would of made a difference in that game. A QB can only do so much. Even a great one.
C'Mon it's not like he was surrounded by scrubs. Manziel had one of the top offensive rosters in CFB surrounding him all season long. I didn't buy that when people made excuses for Carr and I'm not doing it now.
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C'Mon it's not like he was surrounded by scrubs. Manziel had one of the top offensive rosters in CFB surrounding him all season long. I didn't buy that when people made excuses for Carr and I'm not doing it now.
Lol, trying to compare manziel to carr.
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Lol, trying to compare manziel to carr.
I'm not saying the players are identical. The excuse is the same though. "It's not his fault. Look at how bad his line protects him. And how bad his receivers played." Manziel had one of, if not the best, lines in college football. He had an elite WR corps led by Mike Evans, Kennedy, and Walker -- and three quality running backs to share the load. Don't try to tell me that all that talent just disappeared on him and poor Johnny was left holding the bag.



Johnny disappeared too.
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Johnny Unitas is rolling over in his grave
So is Johnny Cash........ someone should have informed them of this revelation.

Edit: Pbat already beat me to the punch.
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C'Mon it's not like he was surrounded by scrubs. Manziel had one of the top offensive rosters in CFB surrounding him all season long. I didn't buy that when people made excuses for Carr and I'm not doing it now.
Really? Tell me about All this talent.

I guess I didn't read your whole post.

As far as his OL being one of the best. No way. Over rated BIGTIME. Evans is good. The rest are average college players. Manziel makes them look good.
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Really? Tell me about All this talent.
Well let's start with the two positions you called out -- OL and WR. Matthews is currently a top 5 projected pick and the #1 lineman in the draft. Evans is one of the top two wideouts in football. Both are likely first round picks. If Ogbuehi leaves he could easily go in the first as well. Texas A&M is likely to have more offensive players taken in the first round than any other college. How can you MISS their talent on that side of the ball?
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I did answer it.. feel free to try to explain how the SEC was better than the Big 12? Like you tried to suggest.
Allz I know is that the SEC was supposed to be built on the best defenses in the country. Almost "Pro" level.


Then came Johnny Football.
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Yup, same **** different player. Texans always falling in love with the local talent. It's going to be a long offseason.
Well just hold on... I haven't seen many people saying the Texans should draft Manziel with the 1-1, nor have I seen many say we should take him at all. Most have said, "Hell no"

A few, I think a couple, have said otherwise.
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