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Old 05-06-2014   #3581
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You're getting the formula backwards.

Success creates star power; not vice versa.
So, the Mannings weren't successful in college? They were stars coming out of college. Manziel is 20-6 as A&M's starter. Does he not have star power?

I'm saying the Texans need that. I'm tired of the team being boring without a real, vocal leader on offense.

Who are the leaders the Texans have had? Carr? Schaub? Tony Banks? Mario?

The only ones I can think of are Watt, Cush and Andre. Only Watt and Cush are vocal. Andre has a quiet calm about him. He leads by example. Sometimes, players need a kick in the pants from a peer. There is no vocal leader on offense.
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So, the Mannings weren't successful in college? They were stars coming out of college. Manziel is 20-6 as A&M's starter. Does he not have star power?

I'm saying the Texans need that. I'm tired of the team being boring without a real, vocal leader on offense.

Who are the leaders the Texans have had? Carr? Schaub? Tony Banks? Mario?

The only ones I can think of are Watt, Cush and Andre. Only Watt and Cush are vocal. Andre has a quiet calm about him. He leads by example. Sometimes, players need a kick in the pants from a peer. There is no vocal leader on offense.
I hear you and Id welcome Manziel - but he is a real risky player. Manning was a sure thing, he had it all. Manziel might be the next Tebow, Vince Young or out of the league because some defender killed him. There is a big question mark, if he will workout in the NFL. If you take him, you bank the next 4 years of this team on him. If you are wrong, we are in "hell" for the next years.

All the while, there are several players that WILL make this team better and help this team win, perhaps for the next 10 years. Robinson and Matthews look like sure starters/stars, Clowney and Mack look like impact players that will wreak havoc, Waktins and Evans look like stars to me. Not selecting a QB first overall may be a smart thing, if no QB is worth being selected first overall. And that`s what the scouts are trying to decide. If they think, Manziel is worth being picked first, they will pick him.
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I hear you and Id welcome Manziel - but he is a real risky player. Manning was a sure thing, he had it all. Manziel might be the next Tebow, Vince Young or out of the league because some defender killed him. There is a big question mark, if he will workout in the NFL. If you take him, you bank the next 4 years of this team on him. If you are wrong, we are in "hell" for the next years.

All the while, there are several players that WILL make this team better and help this team win, perhaps for the next 10 years. Robinson and Matthews look like sure starters/stars, Clowney and Mack look like impact players that will wreak havoc, Waktins and Evans look like stars to me. Not selecting a QB first overall may be a smart thing, if no QB is worth being selected first overall. And that`s what the scouts are trying to decide. If they think, Manziel is worth being picked first, they will pick him.
You are right. Manziel is the ultimate boom-bust pick. But, I think his potential to boom is much greater than his potential to bust. I've said that all along.

There are other really great players in the draft, but the QB position is the most influential position on the field. I think if it comes down to a great DE versus a better than average QB in the draft -- you take the QB. The other QBs don't do it for me. I have questions on all of them, but the fewest on Manziel.
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So, the Mannings weren't successful in college? They were stars coming out of college. Manziel is 20-6 as A&M's starter. Does he not have star power?
Of course they were successful. That's why they were stars coming out of college.

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Ok. I'm not sure that star power means leader. I'm not a sure a rookie can step in and be a leader.

But I'm ok with saying that if Manziel is successful, he'll likely be a good leader.
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I hear you and Id welcome Manziel - but he is a real risky player. Manning was a sure thing, he had it all. Manziel might be the next Tebow, Vince Young or out of the league because some defender killed him. There is a big question mark, if he will workout in the NFL. If you take him, you bank the next 4 years of this team on him. If you are wrong, we are in "hell" for the next years.

All the while, there are several players that WILL make this team better and help this team win, perhaps for the next 10 years. Robinson and Matthews look like sure starters/stars, Clowney and Mack look like impact players that will wreak havoc, Waktins and Evans look like stars to me. Not selecting a QB first overall may be a smart thing, if no QB is worth being selected first overall. And that`s what the scouts are trying to decide. If they think, Manziel is worth being picked first, they will pick him.
None of the bolded are as likely as a "good" starting QB to have an impact on the team's W/L record. It doesn't matter if it's Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr or someone else. The Texans traded their starter, they need another one if they hope to see the Sunny side of 8-8.
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Doesn't matter what any of us think. The Texans aren't selecting JM Thursday night, and probably not Friday night if he fell although that is iffy.

The Texans prefer Bortles. End of story.

So, all you JM fans can get an early start by crying in your beer tonight instead of waiting until Thursday.

As far as Casserly, I would be surprised, but not totally shocked if Manziel fell out of round one as he is a true boom/bust prospect.
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The last thing the Texans want is for folks to think they're drafting manziel at 1.1 because it kills the trade -up value for teams thinking of clowney. Since McClain only gets told what the Texans want him to spew as misdirection, I can only think he's doing a Jack Nicholson impression.
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The last thing the Texans want is for folks to think they're drafting manziel at 1.1 because it kills the trade -up value for teams thinking of clowney. Since McClain only gets told what the Texans want him to spew as misdirection, I can only think he's doing a Jack Nicholson impression.
I don't think McNair really cares. His mind is made up. It's 48 hours before the draft.
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I don't think McNair really cares. His mind is made up. It's 48 hours before the draft.
But there's still a trade market, no?
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But there's still a trade market, no?
Yes there is but 48 hours until and my guess is McNair is past the trade market. At this point the mind is made up. After 4+ months, he knows.....
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McClain knows about as much as I do. I want Manziel here, but I still don't see it happening.
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Yes there is but 48 hours until and my guess is McNair is past the trade market. At this point the mind is made up. After 4+ months, he knows.....
Possibly. I think if we're not trading then you are right, but I'm hanging my hopes on a trade down because I don't love anyone at 1.1 and we've got a shed-full of needs. My understanding is that a lot of these trades go right down to the wire. In which case I'd expect the Texans media mouthpiece to be bigging up clowney. I don't believe anyone is contemplating trading up for anyone else.
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Yes there is but 48 hours until and my guess is McNair is past the trade market. At this point the mind is made up. After 4+ months, he knows.....
And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
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And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
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And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
McNair is going to defer to the coaching staff. O'Brien will make the first decision on whether he wants a QB at 1.1. If he makes the decision to go defense with the first pick, he will mostly defer to Crennel, who'll make the decision whether it's going to be Clowney or Mack.

If OB decides to go QB, McNair will press for Manzel, but will defer to OB if he insists on Bortles.
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I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
I agree with you. When a prospect's name gets thrown out a lot I tend to think the team will lean the other way but I can't shake that Bortles is just physically speaking the best fit to what BOB wants. The mental stuff I'm sure BOB is confident he can teach Bortles during the coaching process.
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I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
I agree that BOB probably like Bortles. There's a few connections between them.
I bet McNair is losing sleep over Manziel. He's probably just as tantalized by the upside and as terrified by the downside as every other person who's interested in the draft or the NFL. It's certainly has me all over the map.

Maybe if this goes down like the Bowie-Jordan draft, the Texans will end up with the NFL version of Olojuwon.
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I agree that BOB probably like Bortles. There's a few connections between them.
I bet McNair is losing sleep over Manziel. He's probably just as tantalized by the upside and as terrified by the downside as every other person who's interested in the draft or the NFL. It's certainly has me all over the map.

Maybe if this goes down like the Bowie-Jordan draft, the Texans will end up with the NFL version of Olojuwon.
I'd rather get Jordan and Michael Young

with a trade with Cleveland.
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I'd rather get Jordan and Michael Young

with a trade with Cleveland.
But I bet you would be perfectly happy if the Texans draft a 1st ballot HOF'er at 1.1 Thursday night!!

And no trades in this mock!!!
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