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Old 04-26-2014   #3521
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I meant the hype to draft him in the first round.

You didn't see Cleveland "falling in love" with Vince or Tebow. The only people talking about drafting him in the first round were people from Texas & Florida respectively.

I've seen St. Louis, Oakland, & Cleveland mocked to take Manziel in the first. I don't remember seeing a single mock with Tebow going in the first round to anyone other than Jacksonville.
I haven't gone back to look at any of the mocks when Tebow was drafted, but there was 24 hr. Tebow mania and much speculation about whether or not he would be willing to change positions. He'd make one heck of a 'tweener like James Casey was for the Texans.

No one doubts that JFF has the tools and intangibles to be a great NFL QB. Not very many thought that about Tebow, but they did think he could be good to great at a different position.

You are correct on VY, imo, though. He's homegrown and went to UT. Besides, I think Reggie Bush kept a lot of the VY thing from being a bigger media hype than it was.
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I don't remember a single mock that didn't have Vince Young going among the top 10 picks in 2006. Oakland was very likely take him if he slipped that year IIRC, and there was speculation he'd go to the Bills or (obviously) the Titans.
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"I would love to draft him, because of any player in the draft, he will do more for a team than anybody because of his position and the energy he brings to it," longtime NFL personnel executive Jerry Angelo, the former Chicago Bears general manager, told USA TODAY Sports.

"Unfortunately, that offense is the antithesis of what teams are doing and he is obviously a very nonconventional NFL quarterback. You have to ask yourself, who does he remind me of? There's got to be prototypes. Really, there's nobody."

"For me, it's not oversimplifying it (to say) if I took him, I would take his offensive coordinator and I would make him my offensive coordinator," Angelo said. "I don't want to reinvent him and try to make him something that I think he can be."

"One thing about Manziel: He's ready to play," Angelo said. "His game is not going to change. It's, what are you going to ask him to do?"
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"He's the wild card," another longtime NFL personnel man said on condition of anonymity for competitive reasons. "He's just got to be (with) the right coach, right scheme. You don't want to bottle him up, but you also have to discipline him, and he's got to buy into what you're doing."

"Now, will some of the physical traits catch up with him?" the NFC scout said. "Maybe, when you talk about the size and their offense and how some of it was kind of chucking it up to one of the best receivers in the country (Mike Evans) and letting him go make a play."
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We also know that the Houston Texans aren't considering Manziel with the first selection.
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One of the quarterback-needy teams picking in the top 10 told us they have a second-round grade on Manziel...

Four sources with other teams told us that they have a first-round grades on Manziel. Two of those teams said they have Manziel in the top 20 on their big boards. One general manager said he is confident that Manziel won't be available in the second round, and someone is going to pull the trigger on him in the first.
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Interesting that he said he would hire Manziel's OC and we do not have one...

Current A&M OC:

"Spavital has risen up the ranks quickly since beginning his college coaching career in 2008 at Tulsa under Bill Blankenship and with then-offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn. He joined Sumlin's staff as a graduate assistant at Houston in 2009, before following Holgorsen to Oklahoma State and then West Virginia. He has worked with a number of highly productive quarterbacks in the style of offense that Texas A&M uses, including Case Keenum at Houston, Brandon Weeden at Oklahoma State, Geno Smith at West Virginia, and Johnny Manziel this season at Texas A&M." http://espn.go.com/college-football/...ve-coordinator
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Keep y'alls hands off our OC, damnit
You do agree it is an interesting topic?
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We'd do better hiring Kilff from Texas Tech instead. He was OC when Manziel won the Heisman.
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Keep y'alls hands off our OC, damnit
We sent you one of OUR OC's already, what are you belly-aching about?
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We'd do better hiring Kilff from Texas Tech instead. He was OC when Manziel won the Heisman.
Doubt he leaves TT and he gets $2.1 million.
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Stephen Jones not saying much about Johnny Manziel b/c, "We haven't quite gotten into sorting out the (QBs) yet." http://share.d-news.co/8KgRgDg

.@JC1053 asks: If Manziel is there, do you take him? Stephen Jones: "Those are all things that we'll have to work out. Purely speculation."
Been thinking about this for a while, and I think this has legs. Textbook Jerruh move, and he's been wayyy too quiet pre-draft.

In Jerruh's eyes, getting Manziel would make people forget about his 2013 draft flub. And Romo is 34 with two back surgeries.

Question will be how high does he need to go to get JFF?
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Been thinking about this for a while, and I think this has legs. Textbook Jerruh move, and he's been wayyy too quiet pre-draft.

In Jerruh's eyes, getting Manziel would make people forget about his 2013 draft flub. And Romo is 34 with two back surgeries.

Question will be how high does he need to go to get JFF?
Right now, I don't think Manziel gets past Jags @ #3 or Cleveland @ #4. I'm not sure anyone can sell more Jags season tickets than Johnny Football,
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Right now, I don't think Manziel gets past Jags @ #3 or Cleveland @ #4. I'm not sure anyone can sell more Jags season tickets than Johnny Football,
Tebow could have, there are tons of gators in Jacksonville.
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Been thinking about this for a while, and I think this has legs. Textbook Jerruh move, and he's been wayyy too quiet pre-draft.

In Jerruh's eyes, getting Manziel would make people forget about his 2013 draft flub. And Romo is 34 with two back surgeries.

Question will be how high does he need to go to get JFF?
I believe that the $ implications and draft implications (including cap hits) of a Romo plus Manziel would be tough for even Jerruh to manipulate.

Spotrac's info on Romo (don't overlook the asterisk fine print points at the bottom.
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I believe that the $ implications and draft implications of a Romo plus Manziel would be tough for even Jerruh to manipulate.

Spotrac's info on Romo (don't overlook the asterisk fine print points at the bottom.
By my reading if Jerah released Romo prior to the 3rd league day of next year (2015) the Cowboys would only have $2 million in Dead money in 2015.
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I believe that the $ implications and draft implications (including cap hits) of a Romo plus Manziel would be tough for even Jerruh to manipulate.

Spotrac's info on Romo (don't overlook the asterisk fine print points at the bottom.
Cut Romo next year... I don't think he cares... he'll make it up in sales. I guarantee the self-centered Jerruh sees himself in Manziel -- his alter ego. Would make Cowboys relevant again, maybe make people forget about Jimmy. Make it happen, Jerruh!!!
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Cut Romo next year... I don't think he cares... he'll make it up in sales. I guarantee the self-centered Jerruh sees himself in Manziel -- his alter ego. Would make Cowboys relevant again, maybe make people forget about Jimmy. Make it happen, Jerruh!!!
Two Jerruh's on the same team.......priceless! A universally undisciplined organization.......sounds great to me!
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Two Jerruh's on the same team.......priceless! A universally undisciplined organization.......sounds great to me!
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