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Did the white couple teach him to play as a white QB?
I wonder how an mixed-race QB plays. Is it a mix of athleticism and intelligence? Are beige-to-brown QBs the future?

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Did Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkenton, and John Elway "play black"? All three of these dudes could scramble with the best of them. Difference between their styles and many modern QBs is that they would scramble to get someone open. Many of today's QBs seem to be run-when-primary-WR-is-covered.

Go back and look at highlights of Staubach, Tarkenton, or Elway. Those guys could run for dozens of yards behind the line of scrimmage. But that was before QBs wore virtual skirts. They knew defenders could knock the crap out of them if they tries to run vertical.

The whole "playing black" thing should be a description that fans and media avoid and do not fall into the trap of using. It's ridiculous and ignores the greats of NFL history. JMO
Don't forget Steve Young.
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This "ghetto tendencies" and "he plays black" conversation is one of the dumbest conversations I have ever seen on this board. We really are running out of things to talk about.
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Don't forget Steve Young.
yep, without a doubt. The whitest "playing black" QB that ever was.
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This "ghetto tendencies" and "he plays black" conversation is one of the dumbest conversations I have ever seen on this board. We really are running out of things to talk about.
Yep. This off-season has been terrible... and we have another month to go.
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I watched Sound FX - Tony Romo today and I'll be dadgum if I didn't see a lot of Tony Romo playing style in Johnny Manziel.
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I watched Sound FX - Tony Romo today and I'll be dadgum if I didn't see a lot of Tony Romo playing style in Johnny Manziel.
You also saw a QB that has suffered his share of injuries.........and Romo is 6'2" and ~240 pounds.
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You also saw a QB that has suffered his share of injuries.........and Romo is 6'2" and ~240 pounds.
If I'm not mistaken, with the exception of Brett Farve, all QBs get injured...just sayin. Even the GREAT 6'5" QBs Brady and Manning have missed a season due to injury.
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If I'm not mistaken, with the exception of Brett Farve, all QBs get injured...just sayin. Even the GREAT 6'5" QBs Brady and Manning have missed a season due to injury.
They played a long time as opposed to the rout RG3 is going .
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They played a long time as opposed to the rout RG3 is going .
That's the point I was going to make. Add to that, Manziel collected his injuries in the period of an ultra short 2-year 13 game per year softer (compared to the NFL) college career.
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Instead of solving the Texan Franchise QB issue seems Kubiak set them back. Let's examine history & not repeat same mistakes. either reaching #1 overall to address position then claim he can be saved or give up a butt load of picks to bring in a #2 starting QB.
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If I'm not mistaken, with the exception of Brett Farve, all QBs get injured...just sayin. Even the GREAT 6'5" QBs Brady and Manning have missed a season due to injury.
You really think that is a good comparison? Manning played 13 seasons without missing a game. Manziel's (or any QB's) odds of making 13 seasons period are small.
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Instead of solving the Texan Franchise QB issue seems Kubiak set them back. Let's examine history & not repeat same mistakes. either reaching #1 overall to address position then claim he can be saved or give up a butt load of picks to bring in a #2 starting QB.
Schaub , before the many injuries he suffered was one of the most prolific passers in the league over a multi-year span. I find it very difficult to say Kubiak set them back .... Unless of course he paid Fat Albert to break Matts foot.

Injuries are what set the Texans back at the QB position ....
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You really think that is a good comparison? Manning played 13 seasons without missing a game. Manziel's (or any QB's) odds of making 13 seasons period are small.
Take your pick then, all QBs have been injured.
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Take your pick then, all QBs have been injured.
So what, it's a worthless observation which is obviously countered by all QBs are not injured equally.
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So what, it's a worthless observation which is obviously countered by all QBs are not injured equally.
about as worthless an observation as he is small so he will get hurt.
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Schaub , before the many injuries he suffered was one of the most prolific passers in the league over a multi-year span. I find it very difficult to say Kubiak set them back .... Unless of course he paid Fat Albert to break Matts foot.

Injuries are what set the Texans back at the QB position ....
We'll just have to agree to disagree regarding that point. Talent sorely lacking in both players & every player brought in to "manage" the QB position. Luck has never favored steel blue, my point remains a QB guru should know better, be able to make adjustments & roll with it in a competent manner. Bridgewater is for sure more talented than anyone who has ever suited up to play QB as a Texan. Manziel has more competitive nature than Carr/Schaub combined plus he relates well with teammates.

Injuries are part of the game. I'm not concerned with either Manziel or Bridgewater getting injured more often because of size or measureable than any other QB prospect, they have pocket awareness ability to extend plays & huge heart for the game. Measure that!
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We'll just have to agree to disagree regarding that point. Talent sorely lacking in both players & every player brought in to "manage" the QB position. Luck has never favored steel blue, my point remains a QB guru should know better, be able to make adjustments & roll with it in a competent manner. Bridgewater is for sure more talented than anyone who has ever suited up to play QB as a Texan. Manziel has more competitive nature than Carr/Schaub combined plus he relates well with teammates.
Where I fault Gary, is that Matt Schaub is not special. He never has been. He's pretty good & Gary made him look great at times, but he was never special.

So if I'm Gary Kubiak, I'm going to ride him until the wheels fall off, which he did & they did. However, I'd have been looking for a guy who might be special... maybe that's Keenum, maybe that's why we brought Lienart in, I don't know. But we passed on Mallet, taking Tj instead (maybe he thought Tj was special, I don't know)...

But when it came time to make a change at the QB position, we looked ill prepared. Tj wasn't ready to go & it didn't look like he wanted to help Case too much.

It took Harbaugh a year & a half to realize Alex Smith wasn't special & he was much better prepared to move forward than Kubiak was after seven seasons.
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It's just not done, but I've always thought it would be a good idea, when the occasion allowed, to play your second string QB with the first team, during the season.
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But we passed on Mallet, taking Tj instead (maybe he thought Tj was special, I don't know)...
You keep saying this. TJ was taken 2 rounds (78 picks) later than Mallett. They weren't in any kind of competition. Usually when people talk about passed on it is in connection with someone picked higher where they had an opportunity to make the choice like taking Pitts one pick in front of Portis.
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