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Is it just me or is this already the longest offseason ever?
When you have people trying to define a two letter word, "it" then yeah you know its been a looooong offseason.
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Yeah , Schaub is a tough standard for play action , Manziel isn't that good at it .... but if he works on it , he can be.


I look at the improvement he's made from the beginning of the season to the end , and again the work he's put in since the start of the offseason. Its impossible to dispute his work ethic , tho that may change when you hand him a few million.
Agreed. He, his trainer, & his agent set out to show the interested parties that he can work from under center & by all accounts he did so at his pro day.

The other guy set out to prove he can throw accurately without the glove & did not.
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hmmm... I hadn't heard of the Willie Roaf plot twist - or, more accurately, stab in the Texans' back by the NFL.

...I'll be damned....

maybe that's what happens when you make a deal with the devil...
I followed the Saints pretty close at that time & had mixed feelings about Roaf wanting to come here. It might have been the thing that could turn this franchise around.... but I felt most of the players on the team were already in the "give me my paycheck" mode & Willie might have fell right into that groove & never seen a pro-bowl afterwards.
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When you have people trying to define a two letter word, "it" then yeah you know its been a looooong offseason.
Not trying to define "it," trying to identify "it" and whether "it" translates to the NFL. "It" ended up meaning sh"it" for the 1st two examples so where are the positive ones?

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I followed the Saints pretty close at that time & had mixed feelings about Roaf wanting to come here. It might have been the thing that could turn this franchise around.... but I felt most of the players on the team were already in the "give me my paycheck" mode & Willie might have fell right into that groove & never seen a pro-bowl afterwards.
Which team are you referring to with the bold?
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One thing for sure will be his ability to sell play action.
Selling the play action is a bout the entire offense. Not one player.

Watch the Ravens offense this year. Flacco is going to become a master play action guy in some people's minds.
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Not trying to define "it," trying to identify "it" and whether "it" translates to the NFL. "It" ended up meaning sh"it" for the 1st two examples so wear are the positive ones?



Which team are you referring to with the bold?
I'm really thinking about the 2005 & 2006 team... obviously I'm way off on my Willie Roaf comment as I thought he was available to us in '05, '06, but looking at his history he would have been available to us in 2002...

So my memory's gotten the better of me again.
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Selling the play action is a bout the entire offense. Not one player.

Watch the Ravens offense this year. Flacco is going to become a master play action guy in some people's minds.
Pretty sure everyone involved in the conversation understands that. The QB is the key piece and Schaub was elite at that one aspect of the game. If the QB is bad at it, the rest is for naught.
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The QB is the key piece and Schaub was elite at that one aspect of the game.
Wrong on both accounts.

The QB is not the key piece and Schaub was not some special play action fake guy.
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Pretty sure everyone involved in the conversation understands that. The QB is the key piece and Schaub was elite at that one aspect of the game. If the QB is bad at it, the rest is for naught.
Yeah , Schaub really sold the handoff and hid the ball well after. Probably his best attribute.
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Those other QB's had the same opportunity to impress on their pro days. They didn't deliver. Bridgewater had a bad day , Bortles was meh .... that pro day is critical to their future , neither showed well with the lights on.

No need to work him out , they saw him make all the throws yesterday , what they need to see now is the thinking part of the game.
I do not think Pro Days are as influential as the media circus makes them out to be.

Every single talent evaluator talks about film. What matters is what players can do in games, not how great they can work out without opposition.

What a great Pro Day - and it's alleged "pressure with lights on" - tells me is that a specific player will be good at shooting television commercials.

I would lose respect for any franchise that values Pro Day and/or combine performances over actual game film.

Different type of player, but same media and fan driven overhype as that UT kid everyone wanted in 2006.
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Wrong on both accounts.

The QB is not the key piece and Schaub was not some special play action fake guy.
Totally disgree with you here. Qb is not the only piece that needs to sell it but is the most important by far. Schaub was much better at it than most
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Totally disgree with you here. Qb is not the only piece that needs to sell it but is the most important by far. Schaub was much better at it than most
And you guys are only showing your ignorance.

If you guys want to learn something I'll explain, but I'm not going to argue.

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And you guys are only showing your ignorance.

If you guys want to learn something I'll explain, but I'm not going to argue.

Carry on.
Thanks for the personal insults to those that don't agree with you. I'm sure you know more than everyone else combined

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I do not think Pro Days are as influential as the media circus makes them out to be.

Every single talent evaluator talks about film. What matters is what players can do in games, not how great they can work out without opposition.

What a great Pro Day - and it's alleged "pressure with lights on" - tells me is that a specific player will be good at shooting television commercials.

I would lose respect for any franchise that values Pro Day and/or combine performances over actual game film.

Different type of player, but same media and fan driven overhype as that UT kid everyone wanted in 2006.
When you look at the film , all the kid does is make plays .... against the very best competition the NCAA has to offer.


That other guy everyone wanted in 2006 .... was his own worst enemy.


You are right , film > pro day. But you have to understand that pro day is a pressure packed situation as its basically an interview for their future - Bridgewater flunked that test , Bortles made a C- and Manziel passed with flying colors.
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And you guys are only showing your ignorance.

If you guys want to learn something I'll explain, but I'm not going to argue.

Carry on.
By all means please explain away our ignorance and in anticipation of your anticipated undisputeble wisdom I won't argue with you.
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Totally disgree with you here. Qb is not the only piece that needs to sell it but is the most important by far. Schaub was much better at it than most
At the risk of appearing to be an ignoramus, I agree 100%
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When you look at the film , all the kid does is make plays .... against the very best competition the NCAA has to offer.


That other guy everyone wanted in 2006 .... was his own worst enemy.


You are right , film > pro day. But you have to understand that pro day is a pressure packed situation as its basically an interview for their future - Bridgewater flunked that test , Bortles made a C- and Manziel passed with flying colors.
I thought Bortles received very good grades about his pro day?
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The Manziel-Vince Young comparisons are getting ridiculous.

First off, the outcry and support for Manziel to get drafted is probably about 1/4th what is was for VY in 2006. Why? Because UT has many many more t-shirt fans in southern Texas than A&M does. Meaning that there are a lot more people who root for UT just because than for A&M. Most of the staunch support for Manziel comes from Aggies themselves, and we are not nearly the dominating force that the UT/Young fans were after the National Championship in 2006.

Second, they are two totally different players with totally different situations. Vince Young was a far more dominating physical athlete than Manziel. Young succeed on mostly having outstanding athleticism and physical tools for his position. Manziel, as shifty and quick as he may be, is nowhere near the physical specimen that Young was. Johnny has had to actually work very hard at his craft to get where he is today. People forget that he was very raw coming into his freshman year at A&M, and many didn't think he had what it took to be a QB at the college level.

I know it's easy to just compare Johnny and VY, but it really is a lazy comparison. Everyone wants to compare one player and their situation to someone else. Why can't we just look at him as an individual player in a unique situation, it doesn't always have to be tied to some player from the past...
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And you guys are only showing your ignorance.

If you guys want to learn something I'll explain, but I'm not going to argue.

Carry on.
Receivers have to sell PA by selling that they are blocking and then breaking into routes, and the O line has to sell they are blocking for a run play and then break formation to pass protect....BUT, the defense pays the most attention to the QB therefore his "sell" of the PA pass is the most important of all; after all he is they one with the ball in his hands. Defenses always look to the QB for cues on what the offense does.

You can try to teach us whatever you want but the above it the cold hard truth.
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Ok.

Whatever you say. Not going to try and teach you anything since apparently y'all know it all.

You're wrong, but who care doesn't matter. But if anyone wants to actually learn something just let me know.
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