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Old 03-30-2014   #3101
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Nope, that's just not possible for the dim-witted, glory-hound that is Manziel. Heck, he completely lacks any semblance of football knowledge and lacks the ability to inspire anyone around him.
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One thing for sure will be his ability to sell play action.

Schaub, I thought was great at that.

Did A&M run a lot of play action?
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One thing for sure will be his ability to sell play action. I think he would also drastically help the running game, not because he can take off, which he could, but teams won't be able cheat line of scrimmage or sit on slow developing routes. Best thing about Manziel is that his presence alone makes Texans so much less predictable. O'Brian will simplify the offense with Johnny handing off majority of snaps, just mixing in some passes for some balance then braking the defenses back with long ball. IMO
He did a few snaps of play action at his pro day , it wasn't as good as Schaub's who was very good at it , but the motion was believable.

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Did A&M run a lot of play action?
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He did a few snaps of play action at his pro day , it wasn't as good as Schaub's who was very good at it , but the motion was believable.
Seeing him do it at his pro-day made me think he wasn't as good as Schaub, and away from the pressure to do it well at his pro-day will he work hard on it in games or just go through the motions before laucning 'Johnny Time'.
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Seeing him do it at his pro-day made me think he wasn't as good as Schaub, and away from the pressure to do it well at his pro-day will he work hard on it in games or just go through the motions before laucning 'Johnny Time'.
As Corrosion said, Schaub was one of the best at it. Tough standard.

The number of times Schaub fooled the cameramen was hilarious except for missing half the play.
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Seeing him do it at his pro-day made me think he wasn't as good as Schaub, and away from the pressure to do it well at his pro-day will he work hard on it in games or just go through the motions before laucning 'Johnny Time'.
Yeah , Schaub is a tough standard for play action , Manziel isn't that good at it .... but if he works on it , he can be.


I look at the improvement he's made from the beginning of the season to the end , and again the work he's put in since the start of the offseason. Its impossible to dispute his work ethic , tho that may change when you hand him a few million.

That work he has put in over this offseason , fixing things that were not quite right , learning other responsibilities I think has separated him from the other two. They haven't made the same level of improvement. They also didn't perform particularly well at their pro days when the pressure was on them to do so. One was below average , the other was just ok while Manziel was very good when the lights were on. Those other two had Schaub moments , fading under the pressure of the bright lights. I've had enough of that ....

As for Johnny time , what negatives have we heard from him since "autographgate"? We haven't heard a peep out of him since that half game suspension other than he's working hard. I think many are overplaying this and just don't see what changes he has made since.

Going thru that as a young kid in college may well better prepare him for the pitfalls he faces as a professional. He put it behind him and hasn't made the same mistakes since.
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Condensed version: use his unpredictability to run a simple offense, like Russell Wilson does in Seattle. He doesn't have to make big plays to be effective but more a product of O'Brian's offense. Big plays will happen for Manziel led offense when defense over commits or gambles not other way around.

We get so tied up in breaking down mechanics, likes or dislikes we fail to see the fit in new Bill O'Brian scheme.
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Condensed version: use his unpredictability to run a simple offense, like Russell Wilson does in Seattle. He doesn't have to make big plays to be effective but more a product of O'Brian's offense. Big plays will happen for Manziel led offense when defense over commits or gambles not other way around.

We get so tied up in breaking down mechanics, likes or dislikes we fail to see the fit in new Bill O'Brian scheme.
You don't need to spend 1:1 to get a system quarterback which you are basically describing.

We could trade for Seneca Wallace.
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Those other two had Schaub moments , fading under the pressure of the bright lights. I've had enough of that ....

As for Johnny time , what negatives have we heard from him since "autographgate"? We haven't heard a peep out of him since that half game suspension other than he's working hard. I think many are overplaying this and just don't see what changes he has made since.

Bright Lights isn't scripted workouts in the comfort of your home gym against a broom. We won't know how those guys react until we have see them in the 4th quarter against a Rex Ryan (type) defense and behind on the scoreboard.

'Johnny Time' was meant as a dig for his penchant for going off schedule and improvising. Which is useful but not compared to knowing and working your progression under duress.
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The Jags could have pulled back Walker or Payne after the Boselli pick was made. The rumored deal, and how it worked out, is they did not but they would have pulled either DT if the other was selected before Boselli.

All of that is not to say the Texans did not expect Boselli to play. They did. But it made the risk more acceptable.

As to why the resentment - the whole thing was a parade of crap. Boselli didn't work out. The Carr turned out to be a Travant. The NFL didn't allow the Texans to have an alternative plan of Willie Roaf due to health risks and he went on to 5 straight pro bowls without missing a game iirc.
hmmm... I hadn't heard of the Willie Roaf plot twist - or, more accurately, stab in the Texans' back by the NFL.

...I'll be damned....

maybe that's what happens when you make a deal with the devil...
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hmmm... I hadn't heard of the Willie Roaf plot twist - or, more accurately, stab in the Texans' back by the NFL.

...I'll be damned....

maybe that's what happens when you make a deal with the devil...
Not making the deal with the devil is how we ended up with the Texans.
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Yep, haven't seen a prospect with as much "it" value since Tim teebow
Yes but Tebow didn't have the talent to go along with it.
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Yes, but people aren't taking about talent, they're talking about "it" factor and the last played to be lauded this strongly with the "it" factor mantle was lord timmy.
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Yes but Tebow didn't have the talent to go along with it.
Refresh my recollection. The last two QBs I remember with a lot of "it" conversation going into the draft were Tebow and VY. Who else has had similar "it" hype?
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Refresh my recollection. The last two QBs I remember with a lot of "it" conversation going into the draft were Tebow and VY. Who else has had similar "it" hype?
Jamarcus Russell?
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I remember his hype mainly surrounding having a cannon for an arm and being a winner (which is kind of related).
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Refresh my recollection. The last two QBs I remember with a lot of "it" conversation going into the draft were Tebow and VY. Who else has had similar "it" hype?
Basically any polarizing college player gets tagged with the 'IT' factor.
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RGIII had "IT", too, right?
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Is it just me or is this already the longest offseason ever?
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