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Old 07-30-2013   #281
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Also discussed is A&M’s huge earnings, coach Kevin Sumlin’s huge earnings and Johnny’s zero income for what he has brought to everyone else.

“It’s starting to get under our skin,” Paul says. “They’re so selfish.”
As opposed to all the other high-profile BCS football programs where the head coaches are working for free, and the schools split all profits between a generous weekly allowance to the players and a handsome contribution to the United Way?
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Hmm, maybe Mack Brown knew what he was doing after all when he refused to recruit him. Pretty sad.

Sure just like be did with Andrew luck and rg3.
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I honestly don't see how anyone can defend Johnny at this point. I've talked to 3 former A&M players and all of them are fed up with his act. His parents now sound like they're the ones responsible for his ways.
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That "we frankly can't understand" line is ridiculous as well. This isn't rocket science.
Right because we all know what it's like to be a heisman winner and the most famous college football player whose every move is watched reported and scrutinized by the media. Plus there is no history whatsoever of young celebrities getting overwhelmed by all the attention and media.
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Right because we all know what it's like to be a heisman winner and the most famous college football player whose every move is watched reported a m d scrutinized by the media. Plus there is no history whatsoever of young celebrities getting overwhelmed by all the attention and media.
What does that have to do with anything?

He's having problems (as indicated by his own father), and he's doing things of his own free will that make those problems worse. What difference does it make that you and I and everyone else on this board has no first hand knowledge of what it's like to win a Heisman, or that numerous others have had similar difficulties with living a high profile lifestyle at an early age?
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Sure just like be did with Andrew luck and rg3.
Not defending Mack Brown as he clearly has issues, but just sayin'. I also don't recall Luck and RGIII walking onto the Texas campus and practically begging Brown to recruit them.

Sure, I am open to the possibility that Mack was just being Mack, however maybe Manziel's reputation and issues played into the decision to not touch him.
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Right because we all know what it's like to be a heisman winner and the most famous college football player whose every move is watched reported a m d scrutinized by the media. Plus there is no history whatsoever of young celebrities getting overwhelmed by all the attention and media.

So we should walk in Manziel's shoes? ....that sounds familiar....



Is that the only way to understand where someone is coming from? To actually be them?
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What does that have to do with anything?

He's having problems (as indicated by his own father), and he's doing things of his own free will that make those problems worse. What difference does it make that you and I and everyone else on this board has no first hand knowledge of what it's like to win a Heisman, or that numerous others have had similar difficulties with living a high profile lifestyle at an early age?
He's having issues because all the same stuff he did this time last year, going to baseball and basketball games, going to parties, hanging with his friends, is now plastered on TMZ and scrutinized by the media. The media and attention is adding a ton of pressure and no one knows how they'd react if they were a 20 years RS Sophomore who just won the Heisman and was basically the face of college football. I'm not saying he's faultless, but damn, cut the kid some slack. He's getting torn up daily for doing what other guys and football players not named Johnny Manziel do.
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He's having issues because all the same stuff he did this time last year, going to baseball and basketball games, going to parties, hanging with his friends, is now plastered on TMZ and scrutinized by the media. The media and attention is adding a ton of pressure and no one knows how they'd react if they were a 20 years RS Sophomore who just won the Heisman and was basically the face of college football. I'm not saying he's faultless, but damn, cut the kid some slack. He's getting torn up daily for doing what other guys and football players not named Johnny Manziel do.
First, I'm not tearing him up - I'm questioning the wisdom of some of his actions, and while some of the comments of other posters on this board might be considered hurtful, or exhibiting schadenfreude, I don't believe that's what's causing Johnny problems.

He made himself famous. Like it or not, the scrutiny is what comes along with that. Others have dealt with it effectively, others have crashed and burned under the pressure. Johnny and his dad (and you) can gripe and complain about how the system isn't right and isn't fair (and you may even be right), but it isn't going to change anything, and blaming everything on something you have zero chance of changing isn't likely to be an effective form of doing things.

Bottom line - the things you are doing are causing you problems. Since you have zero control over anything in this world other than yourself - DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
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First to clarify the media is tearing him up. Anytime he sneezes espn and other sports websites put up a story. The media helped build him up to mythic levels and now they are itching to tear him down.

Again I'm not saying he is faultless but he's getting ripped for stuff that isnt wrong or illegal. Like getting kicked out of a party after walking away when someone poured a beer on him.

Now that said, his parents aren't doing much to help him learn grow up and handle his success. His dad comes off as as whiney b*tch who worries about his sons drinking then buys him beer at the 19th hole on a golf course. I'm starting to see that dad isn't a great role model in how to handle issues like a man.
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Ok, I take what I said back. His dad is a freaking idiot. No wonder Johnny is coming off as an entitled brat right now. His family sounds like a bunch of nutballs.
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Johnny Football battles the h8terz on the twitter: http://deadspin.com/johnny-manziel-s...tter-942660016

If Manziel doesn't put together a Tucker Max-level autobiography after his career is said and done, it would truly be a disappointment.
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This dude is a legit reality show........
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His dad and mom wanted to get plates for their car that had JFF Dad and JFF Mom . They should be the adults for Johnny and keep him grounded but instead they fund him to travel the world and act the fool . He should marry one of those gymnast girls who's parents ruined them .

Having been around youth sports with two sons , there were other kids who could have been like that if they hit it big . Johnny just happens to be the one who hit it .

If Johnny gets drafted , I wonder if his dad is going to want to go to all the practices and handle all of his affairs ?
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I will post tomorrow

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Get serious. Don't try to make him into some sort of Mother Teresa. "Oh I don't care about the millions, I will give it all up to help out the poor collegiates (for another college) while I down this brewski in the name of a greater cause."

Can y'all stop apologizing for this talented Justin Bieber ahole?

He has time to mature. Y'all acting like all this is OK ain't helping.
I'm not apoligizing.

I am saying that doing what JM wants to do when he wants to do it appears to be more important to him than what people like you think, his stock in a future draft etc....

He's wired differently than most people. That's all I'm saying.
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I'm not apoligizing.

I am saying that doing what JM wants to do when he wants to do it appears to be more important to him than what people like you think, his stock in a future draft etc....

He's wired differently than most people. That's all I'm saying.
Does this sound like we're talking about someone who doesn't care what other people think?

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“Yeah,” Paul says one evening, driving in his car, “it could come unraveled. And when it does, it’s gonna be bad. Real bad.”

“He imagines a late-night call, and the cable news ticker, and the next morning’s headlines,” Thompson writes.

“It’s one night away from the phone ringing,” Paul says, “and he’s in jail. And you know what he’s gonna say? ‘It’s better than all the pressure I’ve been under. This is better than that.’”
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First, I'm not tearing him up - I'm questioning the wisdom of some of his actions, and while some of the comments of other posters on this board might be considered hurtful, or exhibiting schadenfreude, I don't believe that's what's causing Johnny problems.

He made himself famous. Like it or not, the scrutiny is what comes along with that. Others have dealt with it effectively, others have crashed and burned under the pressure. Johnny and his dad (and you) can gripe and complain about how the system isn't right and isn't fair (and you may even be right), but it isn't going to change anything, and blaming everything on something you have zero chance of changing isn't likely to be an effective form of doing things.

Bottom line - the things you are doing are causing you problems. Since you have zero control over anything in this world other than yourself - DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
What problems does JM have? What problems are truly being caused by JM?

If A&M wins 10-12 games this yr will these perceived problems still exist?
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Does this sound like we're talking about someone who doesn't care what other people think?
It sure does.

All he wants to do is hang out with his friends and do what they do. Whether people like it or not that's what he's going to do.

That and win football games. Something that teams he plays on seem to do quite often.
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