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Old 03-27-2014   #2941
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I've yet to meet anyone who's seriously jocking the guy who ISN'T a Texas A&M alum. And truthfully he doesn't really excite me...which is odd because I'm known for my love of enormous "BUSTS"...
I doubt you'll meet any of those guys while you're in Texas. You're either an A&M fan or a UT fan....

but they're jocking him in New York, LA, Chicago..... that's why ESPN was at his Pro Day. I normally don't listen to ESPN during the day, because most of it is not local... but guess what they were talking about all day.
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I doubt you'll meet any of those guys while you're in Texas. You're either an A&M fan or a UT fan....

but they're jocking him in New York, LA, Chicago..... that's why ESPN was at his Pro Day. I normally don't listen to ESPN during the day, because most of it is not local... but guess what they were talking about all day.
Today was absolutely one of the BEST NATIONAL commercials for Texas A&M, EVER.
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You can't be serious. That was your hangup? He didn't say he was gonna be a good boy and dedicate himself to the NFL before today?
Its not just what he said , its how he said it and how he handled the circus that the media made out of the situation ....

Then you look at the improvements he's made since the end of the first season to the end of this one - I think that proves what he has said , that he has dedicated himself to getting better , to being a professional.

We have also heard Zero drama since the season started .... Not a peep out of him.


Is he a wildcard ?! Yes , but the truth of the matter is that of all the QB's in this draft , he has the highest upside. The others simply cant make the type of plays he does on a routine basis.

If this franchise is shooting for the stars rather than settling for the mediocrity of the past decade , Manziel should be the choice based upon that highest upside.
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Its not just what he said , its how he said it and how he handled the circus that the media made out of the situation ...
The media? I think Manziel has created the frenzy without help from the media, they're just recording the show. The media didn't make him wear camo, throw to rap music and invite his celebrity buddies along.

That said, he did handle it well.
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For the haters, any pass 30+ yard downfield, even when he hits the receiver in stride is a "heave"
It is a heave. Look at the position of his feet when he launches it. Also, in a live game situation, that is a pick. He tends to not step into his throws, or up into the pocket.
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Maybe Baltimore could draft Manziel so that he can give Kubes fits.
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It is a heave. Look at the position of his feet when he launches it. Also, in a live game situation, that is a pick. He tends to not step into his throws, or up into the pocket.


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Prodays and combine workouts should be the smallest factor in picking players IMO. The only thing they are good for is measurements.
Maybe...
But I look at it as a job interview.
Should someone who is looking to hire you (for a multimillion dollar position, mind you) ignore the interview results (combine and pro days) and only hire you based on your transcript (college stats, film, etc.)??
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But I look at it as a job interview.
Should someone who is looking to hire you (for a multimillion dollar position, mind you) ignore the interview results (combine and pro days) and only hire you based on your transcript (college stats, film, etc.)??
Only? I think he said the "smallest" factor. Look, if you don't have the transcripts, you're not getting the interview in the first place. The transcripts are the work. The interview is talking about the work. The most important part is finding a guy who can do the work. If all things are equal, you look for the guy that fits the organization the best. But you never take a guy who can talk about work over a guy who can do the work.
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I've not been JM's biggest fan - in terms of the Texans drafting him. GREAT college QB, but the dumpster at the back of the NFL's hotel is littered with the remains of great college QB's that did squat in the NFL. Vince Young to Ryan Leaf and a million in between.

He is still in my mind a definite high risk/high reward guy, but today went a long way for me in answering at least some of the questions I had. Better arm strength then I imagined and liked his deep accuracy. Heard good things about footwork and his overall demeanor was good. Think it was a fantastic move on his part to go with helmet/pads, shows he is up for a challenge.

All these guys are a gamble, but Bridgewater in my mind is the safest but the lowest ceiling, Bortles has all the things you look for physically, but he hasn't proven anything against top competition and his accuracy is in question, and then you have Manziel.

He's a wildcard in my mind. He could be out of the NFL in 3 years, or he could completely revolutionize the game and be the toast of the town.

My big concerns continue to be:

Durability/injury concerns if he tries to play like he did in college and if he tries to become more pocket oriented, is the magic gone and he becomes an smallish short guy that has trouble with batted passes and vision? He isn't going to get any taller.

That is my biggest concern.

Secondarily, he talked a good game today, but once he gets paid his millions will he remain dedicated to being the best, watching film and basically being Payton Manning or will he blow it ala VY? There are going to be a TON of "hanger's on'ers" around this guy and he needs to have someone with him that keeps him grounded. He's got a reputation, and he needs to change it.

Will his ego become a problem? Is it already a problem? Is he going to blend with the rest of the team like OB wants, or will he be a prima donna and create tension/drama and/or distraction/division in the locker room.

He's got the most upside of anyone in this draft class. He also has the greatest downside imo (ie greatest risk).

It's a real gamble, but if nothing else, he would add a ton of interest and excitement to a team that was led by the 7 dwarfs last year with Schaub being somewhere between Grumpy and Dopey. I'm with them either way as I am really torn but what the hell - YOLO.
Good post Porky and it pretty much sums up where I'm at on Johnny football.
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The media? I think Manziel has created the frenzy without help from the media, they're just recording the show. The media didn't make him wear camo, throw to rap music and invite his celebrity buddies along.

That said, he did handle it well.
I consider myself pretty knowledgeable on football stuff. I don't like the way manziel throws of his back foot, runs when he doesn't need to, doesn't slide in the pocket, doesn't appear to use his eyes, looks like he's making one read then goes into back yard football mode...durability...ect...

But the guy delivers. He makes plays. He brings passion and energy and he seems to have a thirst for greatness. I can't ignore the positives or negatives.

Manziel isn't a finished product. None of these guys are. I really like many of these players. I might be one of the few that would be ok with the three qb's or clowney or Mack and I'd be ok with the outside chance we take Robinson.

So I'm fine with a trade down to 4.

Or just taking our guy at 1. I'm excited about this pick because either way I think we're getting a good, possibly great player. I prefer tb over all. But I will be pumped when we get our guy regardless.

This will be an exciting draft.
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So Cliffs Notes is that he looked good but the same concerns remain and we basically learned nothing?
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So Cliffs Notes is that he looked good but the same concerns remain and we basically learned nothing?

Yes.
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So Cliffs Notes is that he looked good but the same concerns remain and we basically learned nothing?
That tends to be the theme of pro days. The more important event today was the private meeting which we know nothing about. The pro-day we all saw was really all just free publicity for Texas A&M.
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So Cliffs Notes is that he looked good but the same concerns remain and we basically learned nothing?
No! Manziel took snaps from under center. Two things, at a minimum, was learned: 1) His footwork and mechanics was observed, and 2) coaches were able to discern how coachable he is in perfecting his mechanics for the next level.
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It is a heave. Look at the position of his feet when he launches it. Also, in a live game situation, that is a pick. He tends to not step into his throws, or up into the pocket.
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It is a heave. Look at the position of his feet when he launches it. Also, in a live game situation, that is a pick. He tends to not step into his throws, or up into the pocket.
Those who don't like Johnny Manziel will still find reasons not to like him. I doubt that there is much of anything that Manziel could've done today to change their minds.
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what about throwing in pads to rap music on his pro-day something never done before on such a national stage? those who don't like that, move along, those who do, jump aboard
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what about throwing in pads to rap music on his pro-day something never done before on such a national stage? those who don't like that, move along, those who do, jump aboard
The music is a negative, because of the audience (owners, GM's & coaches); the pads are a positive because you play in pads.
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