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Old 03-01-2014   #2641
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You've got to be kidding...

More exciting player? Certainly. Superior as a QB? No.

Wilson was a slightly better athlete. Had a stronger arm. Played in two different pro style systems while Manziel has only played in Sumlin's high school offense. Wilson was named team captain at Wisconsin by his teammates after only having been there for two weeks. Manziel has maturity concerns (he's also younger than Wilson was). Wilson used his arm as a primary weapon and his legs when he had to. Manziel uses his legs as his primary weapon and his arm as a secondary one. Wilson was a one man team for three years before he got to Wisconsin. Manziel has been surrounded by as much NFL talent as any QB in the country.

Manziel had a great college career and fantastic stats. Won a Heisman. We all know his story.

Wilson had 17 TDs to 1 INT as a RS FR. As a RS SO he had a 379 pass streak without throwing an INT. Led the conference in passing and total offense again as a RS JR. Transferred to Wisconsin and broke the collegiate record for passing efficiency in a pro style offense that he only had weeks to learn before the season started. Led his team to a conference title and had a ratio of 33 TDs to 4 INTs.
I understand that you resist change, but that offense was no High School offense. Better get used to it because it's the future of the NFL.
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He probably wouldn't have been rated higher due to the hype around Manziel & the SEC, but anyone who paid attention to each prospect & not got caught up in the hype would've had him rated higher than Manziel.

Simply put, everything Manziel is good at, Wilson is as good at or better. Wilson was just as fast & quick, tremendously bigger hands than manziel... stronger arm than Manziel...he was a better pocket passer in college than Manziel & put up tremendous stats in a top notch conference...like Manziel.

but my response was more geared towards the question you posed to Texan Seminole. I read it as which would you have rated higher....read it wrong...my fault.
LOL! Good one. You almost had me believing this was real.
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I understand that you resist change, but that offense was no High School offense. Better get used to it because it's the future of the NFL.
I don't resist change. I'm very open to change. But change just for the sake of something different is ridiculous. If you can't win with your arm you can't be a successful QB in the NFL, regardless of how exciting you are as a runner.

And yes, it is a high school offense. It is an extremely simplistic offense that takes all the pressure off of the players and puts all the on field decisions on the coaches. It won't fly in the NFL because coaches don't want to babysit their players. The players should be advanced enough to be trusted to make their own reads and decisions. Even if someone did try it NFL defenses would eat this scheme alive the same way that LSU did (ironically the college defense that that is most similar to the NFL model, and the one that shut JFF down twice).

Is it the future of the NFL like the zone read was for one year? Or like the wildcat was for one year?...
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Rotoworld NFL Draft ‏@Rotoworld_Draft 16m

Scout: Manziel is a better passer than Wilson http://dlvr.it/52v01X
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So much for keeping a low profile and only concentrating on football.

Johnny Manziel visits spring training; LINK

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So much for keeping a low profile and only concentrating on football.

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Seriously????? You do realize he did it for charity right?
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Seriously????? You do realize he did it for charity right?
You mean like LeBron James' "Big Decision" special where all the proceeds went to the Boys & Girls club?

There's not a camera that Manziel doesn't like.
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Is Tim Tebow really a good example for this? How about someone unconventional but successful?
Only Heisman winning QB to ever win a playoff game in 25 years or something like that. Just sayin...

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Been saying this since the zone read made it to the NFL. Mobility for a QB is a nice thing to have, but when it's your primary skill you are doomed. You will either be forced to adapt or you will be run out of the league by injuries.

I still laugh at these people who think there is going to be some drastic change in how the QB position is played. Are there better athletes at the QB position now than there ever have been? Yes. Does the same also hold true for every other position? Yes. You still have to be able to win with your arm to be successful.
I debate this with people all the time, and I debate on your side of the argument. I always tell people this stuff is cyclical, it comes around and leaves, but QBs that can throw don't. That's why I love guys that work hard to get the ball to playmakers first before they take off on their own first.

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You mean like LeBron James' "Big Decision" special where all the proceeds went to the Boys & Girls club?

There's not a camera that Manziel doesn't like.
This is not fair. Just because you think a person should sit quietly in a room until draft day doesn't mean that he should.

Because of his name he has the power to change people's lives simply by showing up some place and taking pictures. Just like LBJ was unfairly scrutinized JFF is having the same done.

I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with showing up and taking pictures for charity. I see something wrong with punching your fiancee in the face and dragging her body out of the Casino elevator. I guess that's just me.
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Paving the way for short QBs...

Russell Wilson... has declined multiple opportunities to compete on ABC's "Dancing with the Stars"
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Let's just say Cosell & Jaws are not on the Manziel bandwagon. And Cosell does an excellent job of explaining why to @RossTuckerNFL.

http://rosstucker.com/podcasts.html
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Cowboys should trade Tony Romo to the Houston Texans for the first pick in the draft, draft Manziel

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I believe this is now null and void since Romo has restructured his contract, again. The $10 million he restructured this week would immediately go to Cowboys DEAD MONEY plus all the other millions Romo has restructured in years past, if traded.
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If I was an A&M reciever I might be kinda peeved at JF for not throwing .
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So much for keeping a low profile and only concentrating on football.

Johnny Manziel visits spring training; LINK
Wow, man. Manziel. what an *******. I'd much rather have guys who knock out their fiancees and shoot themselves in the foot with illegally owned firearms. What was this dumbass thinking, doing a charity event? How dare he do something beneficial for people?

Come on. It even says in the article dude refused to speak to the media. Get a grip and at least use stories that make him look bad if you're going to try a smear job.
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I'd be interested in that, assuming we got Dallas' pick at #16. Romo currently has the majority of his contract tied up in signing bonus, which means he would only cost:

2014 $1,000,000
2015 $17,000,000
2016 $8,500,000
2017 $14,000,000
2018 $19,500,000
2019 $20,500,000

Only his 2014 salary would be guaranteed. 7.5m of his 2015 salary would be guaranteed if he's on the roster in 2015.

However, Dallas would incur about 40 million in cap acceleration from his signing bonuses, so it has no chance of happening.
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Wow, man. Manziel. what an *******. I'd much rather have guys who knock out their fiancees and shoot themselves in the foot with illegally owned firearms. What was this dumbass thinking, doing a charity event? How dare he do something beneficial for people?

Come on. It even says in the article dude refused to speak to the media. Get a grip and at least use stories that make him look bad if you're going to try a smear job.
Ouch, someone has sand in their vagina. Dude doesn't know what a low profile is. That's a fact, not a smear campaign.
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He kept a pretty low profile all year last season.
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I have to say its hard to tell what some of these draft threads have turned into these days. I just wish it was May already so the bitching and moaning can start about who we drafted.
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Ouch, someone has sand in their vagina. Dude doesn't know what a low profile is. That's a fact, not a smear campaign.
Manziel wasn't looking for media attention. If you can't separate the intent from the occurrence, there is virtually no point in having this conversation.
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