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Old 02-18-2014   #2321
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Is there a correlation between having big hands and feet compared to body size at his age and still growing?
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Is there a correlation between having big hands and feet compared to body size at his age and still growing?
Under most genetic conditions, foot size is relative to height. Which is to say that the body does its best to create a human frame that will be biomechanically stable. This means, again, under normal genetic influences without any external/internal factors that might alter foot or height, that a man who is tall will typically have larger feet than a man who is shorter.

The reason for this is that the feet are the very foundation (platform) that is utilized to anchor and stabilize the body in an axial plane when a person is in the erect (standing) posture. If the feet are not large enough to counter-balance and stabilize the gravitational influences through the axial plane, the person will have to exert tremendous unconscious muscular contraction to keep the body from falling over. This will overtax the muscular system and expend (and waste) too much energy.

This is why taller people typical have larger feet. It is Mother Nature's way of balancing out the taller frame to ensure that it (the frame of the body) has a large enough foundation (the feet) to allow a human to stand without having to continually contract muscles to keep the body from falling over.

A 2005 study showed a correlation of foot length to hand length: ~1 : 0.865

As far as when humans classically stop growing in height, it is usually after the completion of puberty.........for men ~18 years old (occasionally up to 21).

[And, NO, despite all the talk about hand and/or foot size correlating to/predictive of penis size............study after study has disproved this myth.]
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Yes indeed. NFL teams get in line to draft a guy who can't shut up and likes to throw fuel on a fire where people that don't like him are concerned.

That's exactly the kind of thing that head coaches look for.

Want no part of Manziel on this team. I believe his career is going to be ugly and the team that reaches for him will be hunting a QB again in a couple of years. Who has time for that?
I need to quit speaking in sarcasm...... Apparently I don't do it good enough.
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Manziel is off my board, period.
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[And, NO, despite all the talk about hand and/or foot size correlating to/predictive of penis size............study after study has disproved this myth.]
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In Indy for Combine. I bet teams will come away impressed w Manziel after meeting w/ him. Same w NFL media. He's very good at presenting.
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1. Who is Johnny Manziel?
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The NFL trusts Johnny Manziel.

"I really believe this guy will be one of the best quarterbacks we've seen come out of college in the past four of five years," one AFC scout said. "He'll have a Russell Wilson type of impact. I also do trust him. I believe this transformation."

The NFL doesn't trust Johnny Manziel.

"Taking him with a high-round pick is extremely risky," said an NFC scout, "mainly because you have no idea what you're getting. Some scouts believe the guy we're seeing now is the real Manziel. I don't."

One team personnel executive said: "I think he can lead a team. I think he's more mature than some people want to give him credit. I don't have doubts about him as a person."

Another team executive: "There are a lot of questions about him as a person."

And there it is—the NFL's feelings about Manziel in a nutshell. Love and hate, trust and distrust.

It's likely these feelings, the divergence of them, extrapolate across the league. It might literally be half of football trusts Manziel and half does not.

The last time we saw the NFL this divided about a top prospect was Cam Newton, and many of the same things being said about Manziel now were being said about Newton. We see how Newton turned out. He's a star in this league—just made the postseason with an offensively limited team.

What the combine will be for Manziel, more than anything, is a sincerity test. His skeptics will be searching for realness. Is the hard-working and focused Manziel we've seen the past few months the real Manziel? Or is he the one that slept through the Manning passing camp or became entangled in an autograph-signing scandal?

NFL teams know college players are immature. They know they party. They chase women (gasp). They drink (gasp, gasp).

What teams want to know most—and Manziel will be asked this directly, you can count on it—is what does he want more? Does he want to be a football player or a partier?

They will want to know—who is the real Johnny?

2. Manziel Part II

I thought this analysis from a scout was among the most fair about Manziel that I've seen thus far: "Manziel…blahblahblah, blahblahblah. You will hear all kinds of bulls--- about him, but teams will rely on the film and what he did in games. That's it. No one will care if he parties. We draft dudes who beat their girlfriends. It's all about the play. Watch his play and he's just a guy you can't pass on."

3. Manziel Part III

League sources increasingly believe the Houston Texans will take Manziel with the first pick. The organization has said very little publicly, but privately, the belief is that Houston has been quietly falling in lust with him.
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League sources increasingly believe the Houston Texans will take Manziel with the first pick. The organization has said very little publicly, but privately, the belief is that Houston has been quietly falling in lust with him.
If we do draft Manziel...... is this going to be a thing where we'll forever compare him to Bridgewater?

Or the other way around, we draft Bridgewater, are we going to forever compare him to Manziel?

Either way... even if we pass on both.... it's not looking good for the future of this messageboard.
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If we do draft Manziel...... is this going to be a thing where we'll forever compare him to Bridgewater?
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Either way... even if we pass on both.... it's not looking good for the future of this messageboard.
Only if one or both turn out to be franchise qb's.
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If we do draft Manziel...... is this going to be a thing where we'll forever compare him to Bridgewater?

Or the other way around, we draft Bridgewater, are we going to forever compare him to Manziel?

Either way... even if we pass on both.... it's not looking good for the future of this messageboard.
Anything short of having a landslide best player taken at 1-1 will leave plenty of fodder for future regret. That player does not appear to exist in this draft.
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It will be the Vince Young thing all over again if the Texans pass on Manziel. His first first down pass of his career will have his contingent saying I told you so.
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If we do draft Manziel...... is this going to be a thing where we'll forever compare him to Bridgewater?

Or the other way around, we draft Bridgewater, are we going to forever compare him to Manziel?

Either way... even if we pass on both.... it's not looking good for the future of this messageboard.
The careers of Clowney, Bortles, Bridgewater, and Manziel will be compared, I don't think there is any way around it.

Hopefully the Texans make the right pick.
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If we do draft Manziel...... is this going to be a thing where we'll forever compare him to Bridgewater?

Or the other way around, we draft Bridgewater, are we going to forever compare him to Manziel?

Either way... even if we pass on both.... it's not looking good for the future of this messageboard.
It'll be even worse if Bridgewater and Manziel end up in the same division. Imagine us with Manziel and the Jags with Teddy, or vice versa.
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It will be the Vince Young thing all over again if the Texans pass on Manziel. His first first down pass of his career will have his contingent saying I told you so.
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If we do draft Manziel...... is this going to be a thing where we'll forever compare him to Bridgewater?

Or the other way around, we draft Bridgewater, are we going to forever compare him to Manziel?

Either way... even if we pass on both.... it's not looking good for the future of this messageboard.
It's just like VY, Mario, and Reggie Bush.

Hopefully whoever we pick turns out better than those guys.
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League sources increasingly believe the Houston Texans will take Manziel with the first pick. The organization has said very little publicly, but privately, the belief is that Houston has been quietly falling in lust with him.
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Or the other way around, we draft Bridgewater, are we going to forever compare him to Manziel?

Either way... even if we pass on both.... it's not looking good for the future of this messageboard.

NO! It will be a thing where we'll forever compare him to HWBNBN!
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