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Old 02-16-2014   #2241
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Yeh I would rather have another dull boring no leading lifeless QB than one who is super competitive and plays with a chip on his shoulder.
I hear you. But I fear Manziel has too much "Me, Me, Me" for O'Brien. At least from what I heard about O'Brien coming in and taking down all the indications of individual awards and accomplishments.

Yeah, Manziel loves the spotlight too much for a guy with O'Brien's team-first-last-and only philosophy.

But hey, maybe they could compromise... who knows...
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Did anyone else read the story in the Sunday Chronicle?
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Did anyone else read the story in the Sunday Chronicle?
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“Andre Johnson is awesome,” Manziel said. “I got to know Andre a little by going to Rockets games last year, him and Arian (Foster).

“I remember the first time I met them. A friend’s uncle had courtside tickets. I remember sitting on the first row, my feet on the court. I remember peering over and looking behind me and Andre and Arian were sitting behind me. I was like, ‘This doesn’t seem right. There’s something twisted with this.’

“Arian just got a new deal (contract). Andre’s a legend. Something’s not right about this. We ended up going in the Lexus Lounge, and I got a chance to talk to (them). Me and Arian both playing in the SEC, like I remember sharing stories with him.

“Andre is a guy I still talk to. We do have a little bit of a relationship. What a great athlete. He’s so incredibly impressive.”

Manziel is hoping to have an opportunity to play with Cushing and Watt, too.

“(Cushing) is a guy I’ve talked to recently and has shown a lot of interest in me going to Houston,” he said. “He’s so talented and fearless. He’s another guy I’d love to have on my defense.

“Now, out of everybody in the NFL I’d want to go into the trenches with, J.J. Watt’s the guy. I know he’s not going to get pummeled, and I know he’s not going to stop fighting until there’s nothing left in him. That’s my kind of guy.”
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His name dropping skills are quite impressive. But even more impressive is his ability to improvise and extend the name dropping to four more paragraphs. Scouts notice that.
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Nah, it wasn't this one, though I haven't seen this one at all. It was about him training in San Diego with his QB coach, the one who worked with Roethlisberger and Luck, and rehashed some of his quotes that have been discussed lately. It was a John McClain write up. Front page of the Sports section from this morning.
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http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spor...489e2acc308649

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McClain was fawning all over JFF like a little schoolgirl. Objectivity at its lowest.
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Nah, it wasn't this one, though I haven't seen this one at all. It was about him training in San Diego with his QB coach, the one who worked with Roethlisberger and Luck, and rehashed some of his quotes that have been discussed lately. It was a John McClain write up. Front page of the Sports section from this morning.
The link that I posted has video of his training on the San Diego beach with trainer George Whitfield. The training itself and the explanations by Whitfield are rather interesting.
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The link that I posted has video of his training on the San Diego beach with trainer George Whitfield. The training itself and the explanations by Whitfield are rather interesting.
Yeah, I saw bits of that. Good to see him working hard, at least.


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McClain was fawning all over JFF like a little schoolgirl. Objectivity at its lowest.
This is the one in question. Didn't expect good writing from McClain. I didn't know about the part where he was working with the backup who was with O'Brien in New England. Thought that was cool.
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His name dropping skills are quite impressive. But even more impressive is his ability to improvise and extend the name dropping to four more paragraphs. Scouts notice that.
I'd have said, "Brian Cushing, Jj Watt?? Damn right I want them on my team, that's the only way a QB can keep them off him."
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If I'm Johnny I'd keep talking just to piss the people off who don't like me. I had a conversation with friends today about why they don't like him. They said "because of everything he's done". I asked "what has he done?". "Well I can really name anything specifically but he's just a jerk". Johnny's reputation is built mainly on what the media wants people to think. The worst thing he's done to me was show up at the UT party knowing he was getting into trouble. Not mad at him for the autograph signing, jet setting to basketball games, talking trash on the field, or anything else.

I don't know Mike Evans personally, but growing up in Galveston County I know a lot of people who know him and have coached him. He's never had one bad thing to say about Johnny from what they tell me. He says he's the best teammate he's ever played with. That says a lot to me and I think the Texans will get a lot of that info when they start digging through this process.,
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Sure is easy to knock down imaginary enemies.

I think the training portion was a positive and the daring portion was unwise but will be insignificant.
Unwise due to potentially inferred immaturity? The Texans brass will avoid him to show "who's boss"?

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Looks like I touched a nerve.

Manziel had nothing to gain by daring the Texans, and took an unnecessary risk towards turning them off. That indicates poor decision making to the evaluators. Is Bill O'Brien, the guy known for chewing out Tom Brady, going to be impressed by a rhyming Frito idiom from a 21 year old kid? What about Rick Smith, who expressed disinterest in "bringing the circus to town" when Favre was available? What inroads did Dunte Robinson make by daring Rick Smith? Sure, different situations, but Manziel doesn't know that. It comes back to decision making.

The Texans are currently a team of veterans in need of a new on-field leader, and a 21 year old candidate needs to demonstrate he has the maturity to command their respect. At this phase of the evaluation, if he indicates uncertainty in that quality, there are two other QB candidates who will step up to prove it.
Incredible insight and analysis there. In case you haven't noticed, the #1 pick always brings a circus to town. We've seen two up close here in recent years. Perhaps you've forgotten?

You worry about a frito quote and manage to whiff on all the training. Explain to me again how O'Brien will be turned off by a guy that brought in a New England guy to teach him "his" offense.

The haters see nothing but macho bravado. Everyone else sees a kid doing his damndest to get drafted by a team in his own state.

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Yup, you're right. Anyone who even entertains the idea of a discussion of anything related to Manziel having even the remotest pittance of a chance of being considered less than perfection is clearly a hater.
Then there's these snarky responses that makes it appear that anyone who even entertains that Manziel can actually play pretty good football and isn't all mouth is overlooking reality.

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McClain was fawning all over JFF like a little schoolgirl. Objectivity at its lowest.
Fully agree with this. It's a puff piece at it's finest. The only question is: Will there be more of these for the top "contenders", or is this isolated to Manziel?
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I think it should be noted that Fat Boy has been criticizing Manziel all year. He wasn't exactly a fan for those thinking he's just pumping him up for certain reasons.
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Unwise due to potentially inferred immaturity? The Texans brass will avoid him to show "who's boss"?

Then there's these snarky responses that makes it appear that anyone who even entertains that Manziel can actually play pretty good football and isn't all mouth is overlooking reality.
Wow, surprised to see your full on membership in the Manziel Defense League came through. But congratulations you managed to jump right into the defense of any comment no matter how small being directed his way if not 100% rosily endorsing everything he does and even if preceded by a positive.

Maybe you should save this rebuttal for when whether he actually plays pretty good football was part of the discussion.

But thank you for proving the snark was well earned.

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All this tit for tat discussion about Manziel is why I have tried to stay out of the Case Keenum discussions. As a UH alumni, anything I say positive about Keenum is discounted because I'm a homer.

A&M people can't defend Manziel because they will also be labeled homers by a jury of their message board peers. And if any negative comments are made about Manziel, those people are labeled as haters.

There is no middle ground in these discussions.
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All this tit for tat discussion about Manziel is why I have tried to stay out of the Case Keenum discussions. As a UH alumni, anything I say positive about Keenum is discounted because I'm a homer.

A&M people can't defend Manziel because they will also be labeled homers by a jury of their message board peers. And if any negative comments are made about Manziel, those people are labeled as haters.

There is no middle ground in these discussions.
spot on & this is is exactly what i've tried to do....unsuccessfully i might add. Whether homers or haters, People see what they want to see for the most part.

I know from my end, i'm done commenting on all these guys until they actually play a down in the NFL...
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EDIT: Just noticed you've been called out quite a bit while catching up on this thread. No need to beat a dead horse. Good stuff everyone.

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He's alternately boasting about how terrific he is, then threatening the Texans brass if they pass on him with their top pick in the Draft. Hey, the kid has got a mouth that overloads his skinny little azz and he's sounding more and more like a jerk, which no coach wants on his team. He should just show up at the Combine and work out, then do the same at his Pro day, and keep his mouth shut unless he's asked a question by a prospective NFL employer.
Many have said things like this before JFF and many will say these things after. I find that when the others did it (if they were liked by media), it was because they were 'competitors', but if JFF does it, it's because he's a pompous jerk. Interesting...

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Many have said things like this before JFF and many will say these things after. I find that when the others did it (if they were liked by media), it was because they were 'competitors', but if JFF does it, it's because he's a pompous jerk. Interesting...
Consider it in context. Manziel was also talking about how he wanted to get away from the Johnny Football image which he had created. This was an odd way to display that.

And just because disclaimers seem necessary on this, I went to Cal and have zero allegiance for UT or A&M AND I will be perfectly happy if the Texans pick Manziel.
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There is no middle ground in these discussions.
You don't even have to be an Aggie. If you say anything positive about Manziel, you're labeled a homer. I couldn't care less about Manziel or A&M. If you ask me none of these guys are worthy of the #1 overall pick & I think there is plenty of elite talent I'd rather take. Even trading down to 5 I wouldn't take any of these QBs.

But I will say this. Manziel is the only guy "special" enough to take above his grade. Like Cam Newton or Michael Vick.... or if you want to go with busts, Jamarcus Russell or Vince Young. They weren't drafted on their grade, they were drafted on the "excitement" they generated. Sometimes it works, kinda Cam & Vick. Most of the times, it don't... Vince, Jamarcus, Tebow
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Manziel, on the advice of trainer George Whitfield and agent Erik Burkhardt, won't throw at the combine or at the Aggies' pro day. This could be a mistake. Throwing to familiar receivers will demonstrate the skills to throw. but throwing to unfamiliar receivers demonstrates the ability to hit receivers under less than ideal conditions. Any QB can hang a tire in the backyard and learn to throw; but demonstrating the hand, eye and motor skills to hit a receiver in stride is much more difficult.
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I had the misfortune of living in that city for a couple of years and I learned this make believe rivalry between the cities is completely one sided. People in Dallas don't even know about it or talk about it.
While I agree with what you said. This part right here I believe is incorrect. You probably asked people that don't watch or care about sports (or children) cause everyone from Dallas I know and talk to knows it exists.

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I prefer guys like AJ who keep their opinions mostly to themselves and just show it with their actions. I know that's a hard concept to understand in the 21st century. If someone is the strong-silent type they are automatically presumed weak until proven otherwise, just because they don't run their mouth.
This is your preference so it's totally cool with how you want to see this, but I just wanted to interject we did have a 'strong, silent type' at QB for a while and I prefer to have the brash passionate guy now.

Every other position I can live with saying nothing, but I'd rather have Joe Namath and getting drunk trying to smooch on Suzy K vs Johnny U any day of the week.

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His name dropping skills are quite impressive. But even more impressive is his ability to improvise and extend the name dropping to four more paragraphs. Scouts notice that.
lol, this dude definitely has some skill with words and obvious showmanship.

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Incredible insight and analysis there. In case you haven't noticed, the #1 pick always brings a circus to town. We've seen two up close here in recent years. Perhaps you've forgotten?

You worry about a frito quote and manage to whiff on all the training. Explain to me again how O'Brien will be turned off by a guy that brought in a New England guy to teach him "his" offense.

The haters see nothing but macho bravado. Everyone else sees a kid doing his damndest to get drafted by a team in his own state.
I just got a phone call from Manziel's mom. She says for you to stop being such a mother hen.

Go back to the main idea of my post: "Manziel had nothing to gain by daring the Texans..." If you've ever been in competition with your peers for a promotion, you'd know that you're living under a microscope. There's as much a skill to knowing when to not say anything as there is to saying the right things. Criticizing Manziel on that isn't "being a hater," it's just good advice.
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