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Old 09-21-2012   #101
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Yates didnt get us a playoff win that was my point. Yates did pull together a final drive that won the game, congrats there. He did get the help of a PI call that kept the drive alive on a 3 and 10 to JJ. If you are going to bag on foster for his fumble why not include Yates fumble and int? Yates fumble gave up 3 points as well. Dont cherry pick what happend. The kid pulled it together in that game but he didnt win us the playoff game


Yates, Jones and rackers lost us the game in baltimore though despite what our D was able to do
But but you said any QB could have gotten us that playoff win.

I can tell you right of the bat that there has been a lot of starters who had never won a play-off game. Some of them even lost some big games like Moon against the Bills in that infamous game.
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I just dont get this thread.



I would take Schaub all the way.
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But but you said any QB could have gotten us that playoff win.

I can tell you right of the bat that there has been a lot of starters who had never won a play-off game. Some of them even lost some big games like Moon against the Bills in that infamous game.


I didnt say any Qb could have gotten us a playoff win. I said what QB wouldnt have gotten us that win its a slight difference in my mind but maybe the same to you. Its not a hard task for a QB in the nfl to complete 55% of his passes being 11/20 and navigate a game where your offense runs almost twice as many running plays as it does passing.


moon was 36/50 72% comp for 371 4 tds and 2 ints Im not sure it was on him
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I just dont get this thread.



I would take Schaub all the way.
We have replaced Schaub with Yates because of the shear ridiculousness of the question.
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No, that was me. And it was only if Schaub wasn't 100% or if there was any fear about Schaub's ability to remain healthy. I was afraid he wouldn't be totally healthy when TC rolled around.

I believe, and still do, that Yates could have game-managed us to a winning record in the first 6 games of the season. We would have lost more games than we will with Schaub but I'd expect us to still end up with a winning record.

But Schaub is healthy and was healthy for training camp.
I think there were a number of people who believed the Texans off-season actions would tell the story of how they really viewed Schaub's recovery/health. Once Leinart was released, and T.J. was pretty much handed the backup job, It became clear that the Texans believed Schaub's foot wasn't going to be an issue.

If they thought his foot was going to force him to miss much time, they would have likely kept Leinart. Releasing Leinart and getting another experienced QB would have also been an option, but I'm not sure anyone was available as a FA that would have been a genuine option.

In short, I think there were a number of us who believed that T.J. could compete to be the interim starter had Schaub not recovered by the start of the season, but I don't think there were many who believed he should be handed the job.
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But but you said any QB could have gotten us that playoff win.

I can tell you right of the bat that there has been a lot of starters who had never won a play-off game. Some of them even lost some big games like Moon against the Bills in that infamous game.
Oh so you're saying that Moon played defense and gave up that 35-7 lead that he built with the four TDs he threw???
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Oh so you're saying that Moon played defense and gave up that 35-7 lead that he built with the four TDs he threw???


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Oh so you're saying that Moon played defense and gave up that 35-7 lead that he built with the four TDs he threw???
Damnit man!

If he would have played D, at least one person would have been!
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Oh so you're saying that Moon played defense and gave up that 35-7 lead that he built with the four TDs he threw???
What I'm saying is that Moon played very poorly in the second half and in OT; he made it that much harder for the D.

It was supposed to be a high-scoring game, you can't expect the D to keep it up.

Certainly, the refs played a big part in that game.
Bebe went out of bound and came back in to make a big catch.
Bebe fumbled the ball and the Oilers recovered it but they called the receiver down (the receiver can't be down when nobody touched him).

Certainly, the special team played poorly.
The on-side kick, the short punt, the missed FG.

The D was the last unit I would scrutinize, especially with a pick six they brought to the table in the first half.

The fact remains that Moon played poorly after the first half.
He was supposed to be the one player that makes the team go.
And what did he do?

He cut short one drive by missing an open receiver along the side line.
He ended another drive with a high throw to an open receiver that resulted in an INT and a very short field for the Bills.
He ran into a sack to make it third and long that the Oilers failed to convert on another drive.
Then, he could have hit an open receiver in OT, but he locked onto an underneath receiver, resulting in another INT that gave the Bills the ball at the 20-yd line - an automatic win.
Sure, the DB probably got away with a hold, but Moon at least could have frozen the other CB to prevent him from reading the play too easily.

If he was a rookie like Yates, then I can see it, but he wasn't.
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I have 2 words to explain that whole fiasco of a game:

PREVENT DEFENSE

To a lesser extent, I will admit that it would have helped to have a running game like we currently have with the Texans to burn clock the whole second half. You can't have a run-game that good with a RUN-N-SHOOT OFFENSE.
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I have 2 words to explain that whole fiasco of a game:

PREVENT DEFENSE

To a lesser extent, I will admit that it would have helped to have a running game like we currently have with the Texans to burn clock the whole second half. You can't have a run-game that good with a RUN-N-SHOOT OFFENSE.
You saved me some keystrokes... We sure could have used a eat-the-clock running game like the Texans have now
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I have 2 words to explain that whole fiasco of a game:

PREVENT DEFENSE

To a lesser extent, I will admit that it would have helped to have a running game like we currently have with the Texans to burn clock the whole second half. You can't have a run-game that good with a RUN-N-SHOOT OFFENSE.
Chuck Weatherspoon begs to differ.
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Just curious if Luck had gone through the preseaon with us
Who would you want for the rest of THIS Season only? I think all of us would take Luck long term (may be wrong) but how about just for the rest of this season?
how bout now ???????????? Schaub still....
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Just curious if Luck had gone through the preseaon with us
Who would you want for the rest of THIS Season only? I think all of us would take Luck long term (may be wrong) but how about just for the rest of this season?
Assuming both stay healthy I must choose Schaub for this season and maybe the next. Even though I think Luck will get better as the season goes on and Luck is more physically gifted than Schaub I think Schaub has the experience factor on his side. I don't think Luck can pick that up in one or two seasons.

I am not sure just how much conditioning and throwing MS was able to do because of the injury but I think he may get a littile better as the season goes along if he can stay in one piece.

The only reason I would even consider Luck over Schaub is the injury factor. It just seems Luck is a little more durable.

I said it before that if the Texans had Schaub last year healthy at the end of the season I think they would have been in the SB.
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No brainer...Schaub. Next.



Plus lets see what Luck does be4 he is annointed a hall of fame career. I am so sick of hearing about this kid.
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Leaning toward Luck after what i saw yesterday...he's got a full set of ears to work with...big deal for me... Look at great QBs in the past and present, they've all have a full set of ears...
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Assuming both stay healthy I must choose Schaub for this season and maybe the next. Even though I think Luck will get better as the season goes on and Luck is more physically gifted than Schaub I think Schaub has the experience factor on his side. I don't think Luck can pick that up in one or two seasons.

I am not sure just how much conditioning and throwing MS was able to do because of the injury but I think he may get a littile better as the season goes along if he can stay in one piece.

The only reason I would even consider Luck over Schaub is the injury factor. It just seems Luck is a little more durable.

I said it before that if the Texans had Schaub last year healthy at the end of the season I think they would have been in the SB.
I will be first to say I was wrong.

Luck would have this team as one of the favorites in SB. Schaub will be lucky to beat the Colts tomorrow when they(the Colts) are playing for nothing.

I hoped that Schaub would gain some mobility but i think it has gotten worse.
Because of the weaker line we need a more mobile QB now. I would not be surprised to hear that Matt is hurt once season is over.

Matt is not able to move and create while that is one of Luck's strength.

What do you all think now?
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Luck would have this team as one of the favorites in SB. Schaub will be lucky to beat the Colts tomorrow when they(the Colts) are playing for nothing.
Has anyone seen any improvement in Luck's game this year? I haven't watched much of him, but what little I've seen, I'm convinced he's the same guy he was when he started the season.

Which concerns me. I'll be interested to see how the Colts handle him this offseason, see how he starts next season.

So far, it appears the Colts are letting him do what their last QB did..... wing it. He's getting by on his talents.

I'm not in the locker room, so I don't know. Just a hunch. But I think the Colts are screwing up. I think Luck can be a franchise QB one day, maybe even elite. But only if they develop him correctly.

They let him Bret Farve it & he might be the next Vick.
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Luck is a rookie, he might be a great player one day, but right now he is overrated

His completion percentage is 31 in the leagu
His yards are 7th
He is second in the league with most int's
QB rating Is 29th
He is 16th in tds(one behind Schaub)

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl.../completionPct

Why so much hype right now?

I'd give him time but right now I don't see the hype
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Jesus. These threads are really getting old. Ya gotta piss with the c0ck ya got and Schaub is that c0ck. Deal with it. I'm waiting on the "Schaub or Montana (in his prime) thread. THAT one is a no brainer.

For the record, I'd rather have Schaub play like he did earlier in the season. That goes for the entire team. Play like we did against the Ravens, and it's a Super Bowl victory for Houston.
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