Trindon Holliday is an accident waiting to happen

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by TheIronDuke

Even if he broke one for a TD it'd get called back for block in the back.

Now you see, this right here is what disturbs me more than anything. The Texans seemed to get called for that a lot.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

That's about the way I feel about it. It's cool that we've got a guy who can take it to the house on any given return. I just don't think the potential reward is equal to the potential risk.

The dude's judgment is seriously questionable. In the first two games this season I've seen him take at least a couple of kickoffs out of the end zone from the very back of the end zone. Last week he brought one out to the 10 yard line and I screamed that he should be waived immediately. Today he brought one back to the 21, but he just barely escaped a tackle at the 10 in the process. It was a thirty yard return that netted just barely more than what would have been gained by taking a knee in the end zone.

This is Jacoby Jones crap all over again. Perhaps I worry too much, but I'm happy to see the overwhelming sentiment in this thread is with me.

This. I'm not dogging Holliday at this point, but dude needs to learn how to kneel when he's catching a kickoff in the back of the endzone. Running 30 yards just to make it to the 20 is just stupid football. Sometimes the safe play is the SMART play.

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

This. I'm not dogging Holliday at this point, but dude needs to learn how to kneel when he's catching a kickoff in the back of the endzone. Running 30 yards just to make it to the 20 is just stupid football. Sometimes the safe play is the SMART play.

I'd be willing to bet he's under orders to run them all out. If Holliday was running them all out against Kubes wishes he wouldn't still be out there returning kicks. Kubes confidence in the O leds me to think he is willing to gamble on the home run verses the safe start at the 20. I wouldn't be shocked if Holliday starts taking a knee on kickoffs this week.

[Porky]

Ball security, Ball security, Ball security.

Those are my 3 biggest concerns with this kid. Even the safe ones that he takes in the back of the EZ, he muffs what seems like half of them. As noted, he makes questionable choices as well.

He has to get the ball and secure it better. He's got tremendous upside and I saw some glimmers of that yesterday. I think that is why Joe M and Kubes are being ultra patient with him, but all it takes is one muffed punt in the 4th qtr of tie ball game for him to potentially cost us a game.

I'm willing to ride with him another 2-4 games to see if he keep improving, but with the number of questionable decisions and muffs he makes, he has to be dynamite with his "good plays" and so far he hasn't been.

I'm still in wait and see mode, but color me concerned.

[dream_team]

I seriously don't see what everyone is so worried about.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Errant Hothy

I'd be willing to bet he's under orders to run them all out. If Holliday was running them all out against Kubes wishes he wouldn't still be out there returning kicks. Kubes confidence in the O leds me to think he is willing to gamble on the home run verses the safe start at the 20. I wouldn't be shocked if Holliday starts taking a knee on kickoffs this week.

That crossed my mind, as well. Hopefully somebody will ask Kubiak on his radio show if this is a coaching or player decision.

[Trail.Blazr]

Originally Posted by dream_team

I seriously don't see what everyone is so worried about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qouHmCv9DfM

I know he's not on the team anymore, but some perspective..... I'm guessing there's a few people still "Thinking about what Might Have Been".

[Porky]

Originally Posted by dream_team

I seriously don't see what everyone is so worried about.

Have you watched all of his returns, both pre-season and regular? If so, you think the fumbles, muffs, poor decision making, tentativeness (especially game 1) etc is all nothing to worry about?

It's like this for me. You have a hot blonde who is a model, is great in bed, and she's wealthy too. But when you are alone, she treats you like complete crap, is ultra demanding, has an accent like Fran Drescher on steriods, and oh you just found out she is having an affair with your brother.


What's everyone so worried about?

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by Porky

Have you watched all of his returns, both pre-season and regular? If so, you think the fumbles, muffs, poor decision making, tentativeness (especially game 1) etc is all nothing to worry about?

It's like this for me. You have a hot blonde who is a model, is great in bed, and she's wealthy too. But when you are alone, she treats you like complete crap, is ultra demanding, has an accent like Fran Drescher on steriods, and oh you just found out she is having an affair with your brother.


What's everyone so worried about?

GF #2 right?

I've watched all of his returns and I think I'm happy with him thus far in his young career. I think he's done a solid job and has been a significant upgrade over Jacoby.

[Joeycharp89]

Instead of worrying about what could happen, I'll concern my self with what has happened so far. He hasn't turned over the ball, and I haven't seen him go for negative yardage. Anytime he doesn't call for a fair catch he gets a decent chunk of yardage or more and puts us in great field position. So I like him and I think he's really gonna help our offense score some points.

[Porky]

Originally Posted by Joeycharp89

Instead of worrying about what could happen, I'll concern my self with what has happened so far. He hasn't turned over the ball, and I haven't seen him go for negative yardage. Anytime he doesn't call for a fair catch he gets a decent chunk of yardage or more and puts us in great field position. So I like him and I think he's really gonna help our offense score some points.

Which great field position are you talking about? You mean the 5 yd line after fumbling in the end zone or the 10 yard line after making a poor decision to advance it out of the end zone.

I'm willing to give him a few weeks to get his act together, but the kool-aid is a little strong in this thread.

[Kgbmedic]

Originally Posted by badboy

IMO there are two types of return men. One who secures ball and position. He is a "safe"; minimal risk, minimal gain. The other is a Holliday type, one that hesitates almost too long in the end zone searching for a weakness in the blanket coming at him. A risk taker who if successful, causes the fan base to go volcano, erupting in hot screams, cheers and "can you believe what he just did?" and high fives. I lean towards the latter but with some common sense thrown in.

Trindon will mature into the role as this is his truly freshman season. His role is magnified because bottom line, he decides what to do once ball is in air rather like a QB audibling out of a coaches call. Coaching and experience will get him to where he needs to be. All eyes are on him each time he is on field and no other position can say that. Even kickers and punters have fans watching the blockers.

Agree! (bold emphasis)

[CloakNNNdagger]

An interesting Kubiak comment today concerning the play where the ball hit Glover Quinn

(On WR Trindon Holliday’s performances on kickoff and punt return) “Well, like I said, I’m concerned special teams-wise and (WR) Trindon’s (Holliday) part of that. He mishandled a punt yesterday when we had them backed up right before the half and then of course the one that hits GQ (FS Glover Quin), that’s his responsibility to go get GQ out of the way. Yeah, that’s his part of the bargain, but we’ve got other issues on special teams that could help him be more successful too. Like I said, we’re going to have to play better there. Hopefully we (OLB Bryan) Braman back this week. He’s been unable to get going right now, but he did work today so hopefully he comes back and can help us out.”

[Texn4life]

Peter! Peter! Peter! Trindon needs to work out those vocal cords.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

An interesting Kubiak comment today concerning the play where the ball hit Glover Quinn

Yep...

Obviously he wasn't loud enough because GQ never responded to him. He's gotta make sure he gets GQ outta there....

And something I just thought of...

Why is GQ out there on special teams anyways? Isn't that a job for Keo or Demps?

[HJam72]

OK, guys, if Trindon punches you in the butt, it means, "Get out of the way!"

[GP]

I am not high on Holliday, but that is sort of some bull**** IMO.

GQ needs to look around and know where he's at. Nothing makes me more angry than a ST blocker not maying attention and getting doinked in the helmet. Come on, know your space. Be present and attentive. If you see the return man 2 feet from you, chances are that you're near the trajectory of the football as it's coming down. I'm just sayin'.......

Even had Holliday yelled it loud enough, the ball is coming in so fast AND GQ is a bit too "inside" the bubble for it to have mattered. Once that ball hits the turf, it could ricochet in any direction and clip any guy on a leg. The situation played out to where it was just an awesome punt and GQ and Holliday were caught up in the same space with the ball.

I don't really care for Holliday, as I have stated many times (I'd rather have a returner who is smart and safe, giving our offense the ball and not running the risk of momentum-swinging play for the opponent). He's the same risk/reward guy Jacoby was. Period. Just smaller.

Once he really blows it for us, that'll be the end of this experiment.

[Mr teX]

I willing to roll with him until it becomes obvious he can't do the job........But It does look really easy to separate him from the ball with a vicious hit b/c he's so damn tiny!

[HollaIFyaHEMI]

Trindon Holliday reminds me of Dante Hall. Patience.

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by GP

Once he really blows it for us, that'll be the end of this experiment.

Right. Let's just hope it's not in the playoffs.