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Old 05-29-2005   #21
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We would've had to take Baas in the first round since SF nabbed him with the first pick of the 2nd. I'm not sure how far we would've been able to trade down, and still get good value for the pick. I like Baas too, but would you really want him at the 16th pick? Even in the low 20's it would be tough to take him.
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The O-Line will be fine. so wee all need not worry, for Casserly knows what to do.
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All I know is I felt really bad for Seth Wand watching him try to single block Dwight Freeney last season. :brickwall They should have been able to adjust and give him some help. Even if they move Pitts back to tackle I'm not sure he can handle players of that caliber, even though I believe he is an upgrade.
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Good point on Pitts Nunusguy. I think Wand has a lot of upside, but if Cass and Co. weren't worried a little, I don't think they would have made the pitch to Pace, wouldn't be going after Shelton, and wouldn't be giving Pitts reps at the LT spot. One of these things alone maybe doesn't say a lot, but all 3 together indicate a high level of concern.
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Good point on Pitts Nunusguy. I think Wand has a lot of upside, but if Cass and Co. weren't worried a little, I don't think they would have made the pitch to Pace, wouldn't be going after Shelton, and wouldn't be giving Pitts reps at the LT spot. One of these things alone maybe doesn't say a lot, but all 3 together indicate a high level of concern.

So if the coach's did not do any of these 3 things then you would feel better? Not me I am totally sold on Capers and Casserly and until they do not perform I will be. Look we are better than last year and they are trying to make us even better that's their jobs.

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of course not....I'm glad they are looking to improve this team...that's the point. I'm totally sold on Cass. The point to my previous post is that they are concerned somewhat about the LT position and in my opinion they should be. Some here have indicated that they are fine with the O-line the way it is. It's pretty clear to me that Cass. and Co. are not fine with it.
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So does Weary have a chance at beating Wiegert for the starting RG position? Because I thought that Brown played when Wiegert got hurt.
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All I know is I felt really bad for Seth Wand watching him try to single block Dwight Freeney last season. :brickwall They should have been able to adjust and give him some help. Even if they move Pitts back to tackle I'm not sure he can handle players of that caliber, even though I believe he is an upgrade.
I keep hearing about what Freeney did to Wand last year, if I'm correct Freeney did the same to some of the best LT, I watched the Colts-Ravens games last season and Freeney did the exact same thing to the Ravens LT Ogden, isn't Ogden one of the best LT in the league?
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I keep hearing about what Freeney did to Wand last year, if I'm correct Freeney did the same to some of the best LT, I watched the Colts-Ravens games last season and Freeney did the exact same thing to the Ravens LT Ogden, isn't Ogden one of the best LT in the league?

Yes, I watched the same game as you, Freeney killed Ogden. That is my point, the coaches were asking a second year player to do what a All-Pro couldn't. Ironically, when the Ravens were pressuring the hell out of Manning didn't he remind you of David, just trying to throw it away, or get out of bounds?
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Texans line suck. They always have...... false hope is a bad thing. Last year, the sacks that they gave up were just from sloppy play and getting totaly overpowered. They all should be demoted to the collagete level.

I sure aint expecting much from this line.

Sometimes I wonder if certain fans know the difference between lack of talent and questionable blocking/pass protection schemes.
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the thing about our line this year is that there wasn't any real impressive additions to it...we were all wanting an LT to be adding in either the first day of the draft or in FA...neither happened...riley to my knowledge has never played LT in the nfl and may not have the feet for the job...he will probably be a very good back up or rotational guy guy...shelton if signed i would expect to be our starting LT but it is not for sure that we will be the team he signs with...pitts needs to be left at LG where he is best suited...i feel that the last 6 games of the season he really started to come into his own at that position and moving him would just stunt everything...as for weary beating out weigert...that'll happen when ...weary has been a dissapointment in my opinion...he should have been our starting RG his second year but always seems to jump offsides...weigert is argueably our best lineman WHEN healthy...the center battle is the one i want to pay the most attention to...although it is unlikely that hodgdon will beat out mckinney this year it is likely for him to upseat washington for the back up role...washington then could try to upseat brown or weary for one of the back-up guard positions which i feel he could easily do...if we do not sign shelton this is how i see the depth chart for the o-line looking

wand pitts mckinney wiegert wade
riley washington hodgdon weary t. brown

another thing worth noting...riley has the body-type to be moved inside at guard...if that were to happen i would use him during short-yardage and goalline settings at the guard position on the left side...move pitts to LT and wand to TE at those times...and run the ball left everytime
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run the ball left ?

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so we're going to move everyone around on the line, in certain situations ?

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run the ball left ?

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so we're going to move everyone around on the line, in certain situations ?


Stuff like this may work occasionally, but it doesn't take long to figure out.
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I was being sarcastic about moving everyone around and only running to the left.
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I was being sarcastic about moving everyone around and only running to the left.
I kinda like the idea of using an Olineman as a tight end on a short run.
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freeney beat alot of people last season so not just seth, so dont be to hard on the guy.
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IMHO, Brandon Evans has a very good chance of coming in and unseating one of the OG's. From what I have seen of him in NFLE, Evans has been impressive. I think he will move into the back-up role at LG, and Weary, Washington, and Riley, could all be gone. If Riley can get into shape and play RG, he could possibly beat out Milford Brown as the back-up there, but if not Riley won't make the team. Right now, Weary's best chance of making the team is if he can win the back-up Center role.
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IMO - The line is still in trouble - Still un-resolved and hasnt gotten really any better magically over the off-season with no changes in personel.

IMO - reworking the blocking scheme is little excuse for the line to give up 50 sacks in a season. These are professionals - guys most of them with a few years or more experience. Wand was the real rookie on the line having to play LT for the first time - and was man-handled accordingly for the most part. Honestly our O-line has been pretty poor all along. Our second year being the only banner year.

MY pick - Texans O-line Rank - 28

Overall I think our line ranks below average at every position but LG/RG and pretty poor in some positions. We are 3 years in and still unsettled at LT and have given up a record amount of sacks over a 3 year period comparable to some of the worst lines in the league. I would rank our O-line in the bottom quarter of the league at this point after 3 seasons and think we could do almost as good with 5 street free agents who were hungry for a job.

This article in the Chronicle sums up alot too about how I feel about the line. I guess my biggest problem with the line is how the FO has addressed or not addressed it for 3 years pretending it's a non-issue until it's such a huge problem everyone in the league is pointing it out from the fans to the QB

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...texans/3200517
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the line will be fine, yall all worry to much. Carr will not get sacked over 40 plus times this season. Thats a gurantee.
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