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Old 11-22-2012   #121
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No their a bad team that finds a way to lose and we have to thank them for not closing vs us despite the help by the refs. Two straight ot games with a pick by schaub means his luck is running out
They find ways to lose. We find ways to win. They suck because they are 4-7, what does that make us at 10-1?
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I don't think schaub is clutch. Clutch is getting flushed out of pocket with pressure and putting it into the receivers hands. Schaub just throws it away. schaub needs rhythm, when a play is broken, he rarely extends it.
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Clutch is making plays when you absolutely have to have it..... & Schaub has done that the last 2 weeks....with tons of help from Dre.

So yeah as of now, he's clutch.
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Clutch is making plays when you absolutely have to have it..... & Schaub has done that the last 2 weeks....with tons of help from Dre.

So yeah as of now, he's clutch.
Much better definition than the silliness above your post about being flushed from the pocket.
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Clutch is making plays when you absolutely have to have it..... & Schaub has done that the last 2 weeks....with tons of help from Dre.

So yeah as of now, he's clutch.
Schaub has also put us in those situations with his mistakes.

I am glad Matt has come through in the last two games in the final minutes, but during both games he has looked mediocre for the majority of the game.

Trying to emulate Tebow maybe?
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I don't think schaub is clutch. Clutch is getting flushed out of pocket with pressure and putting it into the receivers hands. Schaub just throws it away. schaub needs rhythm, when a play is broken, he rarely extends it.
Ask Jay Cutler or Michael Vick how that running out of the pocket is working for them.

I'd just as soon Schaub throw it away than run out of the pocket and get his bell rung, thank you.
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Schaub has also put us in those situations with his mistakes.

I am glad Matt has come through in the last two games in the final minutes, but during both games he has looked mediocre for the majority of the game.

Trying to emulate Tebow maybe?
I'm trying to lay off Matt as much as possible. I'm just trying to enjoy the season.

But, you bring up a good point. If he was clutch, why didn't we win in regulation?

Why did we put a kicker on the field to win it in OT instead of converting a third down & scoring a TD?

If you believe Matt is clutch & the answers to those questions lie somewhere else.... i.e. the head coach, then why do the same people defend the head coach?

If Schaub is clutch, he doesn't check out of the called play to a run play. He keeps the ball in his hands when the game is on the line. If we everybody is covered & we can't make the play, he throws it away & we're no worse off than we were with that draw play that never works. Not only does it never work, nothing positive ever comes out of it.

This is not an insult to Matt Schaub. He's got his pluses, this just isn't one of them.

It's great, that you don't have to force anything when you have a defense like we've got, or when you've got a running back like we've got.

But when you've got arguably the best WR in the game (those same people argue he hasn't lost a step), third & 17, a clutch QB wants the ball in his hands when the game is on the line.
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Really looking forward to seeing Schaubie in his first postseason game. Wouldn't it be awesome if he pulls an Eli and just transforms into Montana in the playoffs?
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I'm trying to lay off Matt as much as possible. I'm just trying to enjoy the season.

But, you bring up a good point. If he was clutch, why didn't we win in regulation?

Why did we put a kicker on the field to win it in OT instead of converting a third down & scoring a TD?

If you believe Matt is clutch & the answers to those questions lie somewhere else.... i.e. the head coach, then why do the same people defend the head coach?

If Schaub is clutch, he doesn't check out of the called play to a run play. He keeps the ball in his hands when the game is on the line. If we everybody is covered & we can't make the play, he throws it away & we're no worse off than we were with that draw play that never works. Not only does it never work, nothing positive ever comes out of it.


This is not an insult to Matt Schaub. He's got his pluses, this just isn't one of them.

It's great, that you don't have to force anything when you have a defense like we've got, or when you've got a running back like we've got.

But when you've got arguably the best WR in the game (those same people argue he hasn't lost a step), third & 17, a clutch QB wants the ball in his hands.
Don't think it's on Schaub. Kubiak has a bible that Schaub follows, and he is programmed to do what Kubes tells him to do.
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Schaub is a damn good QB for our system. He's got a way better than average arm (not elite, mind you), understands the playbook, and does what Kubiak tells him to. We're 10-1 because in the games where the defense laid an egg, Schaub took the offense down the field and scored the necessary points.

So, yeah, I'll go with clutch for the Schaubmiester.

How soon we forget all those 4th qtr TDs he got us a few years ago when our defense couldn't stop a troop of girl scouts.
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Don't think it's on Schaub. Kubiak has a bible that Schaub follows, and he is programmed to do what Kubes tells him to do.
In this case, Kubiak stated he called a play that would have gone to James Casey (probably a screen), Matt didn't like it so he checked down to said run that never works.

Kubiak is totally out of the decision making process at that time.
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Schaub is a damn good QB for our system. He's got a way better than average arm (not elite, mind you), understands the playbook, and does what Kubiak tells him to. We're 10-1 because in the games where the defense laid an egg, Schaub took the offense down the field and scored the necessary points.
Completely agree with this. I have absolute faith that Schaub can win us multiple Super Bowls. But in my mind, he gets us to an early lead that we never lose.

If we have to come from behind, I still think we've got a chance. But going against a clutch QB like Brady or Manning, we're better off getting the lead early & grinding out the clock.
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Completely agree with this. I have absolute faith that Schaub can win us multiple Super Bowls. But in my mind, he gets us to an early lead that we never lose.

If we have to come from behind, I still think we've got a chance. But going against a clutch QB like Brady or Manning, we're better off getting the lead early & grinding out the clock.
Our offense is good, but if the defense can't show up when we play Manning or Brady in the playoffs, it won't be pretty. That is unless their defense doesn't show up.

Any given Sunday. LOL. But yeah, Schaub is NOT elite, but he's still damn good. IF the defense shows up, I like our chances against any team out there. Including a Packer rematch in Feburary.
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In this case, Kubiak stated he called a play that would have gone to James Casey (probably a screen), Matt didn't like it so he checked down to said run that never works.

Kubiak is totally out of the decision making process at that time.
First off Kubiak said it was the exact same play to James Casey which was completed on the next possession. It was not a screen.

Second Kubiak is totally in the decision making. Schaub doesn't just walk to the line and see if he has a tingling in his toes about the D. Kubiak gives him specific reads on play calls to look for in the D. If they don't get the defensive keys the play is called for Schaub is to audible out of the play, once again to predefined options.
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Our offense is good, but if the defense can't show up when we play Manning or Brady in the playoffs, it won't be pretty. That is unless their defense doesn't show up.

Any given Sunday. LOL. But yeah, Schaub is NOT elite, but he's still damn good. IF the defense shows up, I like our chances against any team out there. Including a Packer rematch in Feburary.
We always seem to catch teams at the wrong time. Manning just threw a ton of picks to Atlanta and lost. Packers blew a huge lead and lost to Indy, Stafford was basically playing for the playoffs.

Plus our running game did the defense no favors against such a good QB. You have to keep those guys off the field.
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In this case, Kubiak stated he called a play that would have gone to James Casey (probably a screen), Matt didn't like it so he checked down to said run that never works.

Kubiak is totally out of the decision making process at that time.
What I'm saying is that Kubiak has programmed Schaub what to do in any situation. If a defense looks a certain way, you audible to this play. That's Kubiak, Mr Conservative, through Schaub.
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First off Kubiak said it was the exact same play to James Casey which was completed on the next possession. It was not a screen.

Second Kubiak is totally in the decision making. Schaub doesn't just walk to the line and see if he has a tingling in his toes about the D. Kubiak gives him specific reads on play calls to look for in the D. If they don't get the defensive keys the play is called for Schaub is to audible out of the play, once again to predefined options.
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Don't think it's on Schaub. Kubiak has a bible that Schaub follows, and he is programmed to do what Kubes tells him to do.
That's BS because Matt has to read the situation and make a decision. Too many times he decides to throw into double or triple coverage, or over/under throws the route, or just flat out throws to the other team.

Coaches call plays, players execute. Execution isn't something Matt does on a consistent basis on the field, but may be part of his vocabulary if he blows it in the playoffs.

Texans fans can get a little rowdy ...
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That's BS because Matt has to read the situation and make a decision. Too many times he decides to throw into double or triple coverage, or over/under throws the route, or just flat out throws to the other team.

Coaches call plays, players execute. Execution isn't something Matt does on a consistent basis on the field, but may be part of his vocabulary if he blows it in the playoffs.

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Read what I bolded, Mr Rowdy, and tell me that isn't Kubiak's instruction.
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In this case, Kubiak stated he called a play that would have gone to James Casey (probably a screen), Matt didn't like it so he checked down to said run that never works.

Kubiak is totally out of the decision making process at that time.
My gripe about all this is that every team knows when Schaun audibles it's to a RUN play.

Have we ever seen him change a pass play to another pass play, such as realigning the entire formation? I don't recall it, but maybe we have.

Kubiak had things so methodical that it's become apparent to defenses what they can expect from our offense. Sure, "Well the D still gotta stop it...and many times they don't," but I want to see more dynamic audibles...never will though, IMO.
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