Texans make contract offer to Shelton

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

I think the holding penalties were pretty huge this year also. It wiped out a few TDs (Davis in NY) and it wiped out some potential scoring drives.

While there were some key penalties last year, the Texans O made a big step forward on penalties from 2003 to 2004.

In 2003 the Texans were penalized 121 times on 896 plays or 13.5 % of plays and were 26th in the league in O penalties.

In 2004 the Texans were penalized 106 times on 1001 plays or 10.5 % of plays and were tied for 10th (with Indy) in the league in O penalties.

[wrestler4life]

Can't be all that bad if we were tied with Indy's offense. Thanks for the stats.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by El Tejano

I think the holding penalties were pretty huge this year also. It wiped out a few TDs (Davis in NY) and it wiped out some potential scoring drives.

i don't think the signing of Shelton changes the way anyone views the talent level or potential Wand has. However what it does is give us more options and gives us a much quicker fix for this year and it allows Wand to mature into his position, and it creates competition. Basically what I am saying is that it gives us real good depth.

Why are so few board members this rational?! El Tejano, I agree totally with that. It's been the same with the prospect of signing Boulware. Somehow, people see that as ruining Peek's potential and weakening the team somehow, or they see it as the team acknowledging that our current group at LB aren't any good.

[F-minus67]

But in the case of Wand and other linemen the only way to get better is to have playing time and play with other linemen to help them gel. I mean besides Bosselli no rookie LT has come in to the league and dominate, like when he shut down Bruce Smith.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

In 2004 the Texans were penalized 106 times on 1001 plays or 10.5 % of plays and were tied for 10th (with Indy) in the league in O penalties.

Is that offensive penalties or total penalties? How many defensive penalties for the Texans in '04? 6.6 penalties/game for the offense alone seems pretty steep to me.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Is that offensive penalties or total penalties? How many defensive penalties for the Texans in '04? 6.6 penalties/game for the offense alone seems pretty steep to me.

That is offensive penalties only. On defense:

2003--96 penalties on 1054 plays or 9.1% of plays for 10th least penalized team.

2004--123 penalties on 971 plays or 12.7% of plays for 30th least penalized or 3rd most penalized.

In other words Capers had to be going nuts that the D was extending other teams' drives like crazy.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

2004--123 penalties on 971 plays or 12.7% of plays for 30th least penalized or 3rd most penalized.

Huh? So the Texans committed 229 penalties (plus whatever they incurred on special teams) last year? That would be over 14 penalties per game! That doesn't sound right. Maybe the Texans committed 106 penalties & their oppostion committed 123 penalties?

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Huh? So the Texans committed 229 penalties (plus whatever they incurred on special teams) last year? That would be over 14 penalties per game! That doesn't sound right. Maybe the Texans committed 106 penalties & their oppostion committed 123 penalties?

You know that doesn't sound right. Looking through the 1st 4 game logs from last year they had 6-9 total penalties a game. The numbers above come from NFL.com's total offense and total defense stats. I'll check another source.

OK--your surmise is correct although the way they list them is misleading. On total O stats they list all of the penalties both O & D for a team and on total D stats they list all of the penalties for O & D by teams the Texans or whomever faced. Goofy but whatever. Oh well, disregard all the penalty stuff other than the Texans generally improved from 2003 to 2004 because I can't find a split between the two.

Overall the Texans did improve on penalties last year:

2003--121 penalties on 1950 total O&D plays for 6.2%
2004--106 penalties on 1972 total O&D plays for 5.4%

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Oh well, disregard all the penalty stuff other than the Texans generally improved from 2003 to 2004 because I can't find a split between the two.

I can't find a split. either. I'll go through the games & break down the penalities at some point this offseason. But, I think your original point was correct...the offense had fewer penalties than previous seasons. Defense & special teams? The same or worse, I'm betting.

[Texans Pride]

I am paraphrasing here. . .NOT QUOTING, but Adam Sheftfield (sp) was reporting on NFL Total Access, that a few offers have been made, but none greater than the Cleveland Browns offer. He also stated that a decision should be made by this weekend.

[TexansRockMySocks]

i think we have lost him to the Browns

[Texans Pride]

I hope not, but if we don't get him it's only because we saw something we didn't like and didn't want to pay him the money he was asking for.

[TexansRockMySocks]

because as reported the Browns have the biggest offer on the table, and on the news they were talking about how we were far apart on the money. Also his agent and him were down in Houston twice but left without anything forming, and I think they are in Cleveland to this point.

[edo783]

Shelton WOULD be good to bring in as he would represent an immediate level of expertise at LT that would place him at about # 16-20 of the 32 starting LTs. Certainly an improvement. However, that is about were he would remain IMO. Wand currently, IMO, would rank at about #26-32. However, I think he has the potential to get to ~11-14. Not elite status, but very solid. Shelton would help right away, but Wand seems to be good for the long term. Would be great to have both and gain the depth.

[TexansTrueFan]

more money or win,,,,,decesions, very tough lol. us WIN them LOSE....

[YodAa]

So have we signed him yet?

[TexansTrueFan]

no and prolly never will

[YodAa]

why not?

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by TexansRockMySocks

because as reported the Browns have the biggest offer on the table, and on the news they were talking about how we were far apart on the money. Also his agent and him were down in Houston twice but left without anything forming, and I think they are in Cleveland to this point.

Where was this reported?

[vtech9]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

Where was this reported?

for one, on NFL Network's NFL Total Access