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Old 09-10-2012   #161
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you can call it snail mode or you can just say that being conservative and not taking chances in a game where your defense has not given up a TD is just good coaching.
Someone posted that the conservative play in the 2nd half was to try to run down the clock. But shouldn't very good teams (of which we feel we are amongst) be able to run down the clock.........and still move the ball effectively and score TDs?
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Three sacks for the game. Our pressure on Tannehill seemed somewhat sporadic. Thoughts?
Reggie Bush. We didn't do a good job of getting them into favorable down & distance. Reggie Bush was gashing us up the middle & in the passing game. Our LBs & Safeties have to get better & cut out all that checkdown tomfoolery.
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Someone posted that the conservative play in the 2nd half was to try to run down the clock. But shouldn't very good teams (of which we feel we are amongst) be able to run down the clock.........and still move the ball effectively and score TDs?
We won 30-10...it's not like we didn't score much. 3 offensive TD's to zero for the Dolphins.
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Football players love to step on the throat of their opponent when they have them down, and it seems like GK never lets that happen.
Look at last year's schedule.

We drummed Indy, 34-7
Tennessee @ Tennessee 41-7
Tampa Bay @ Tampa Bay 37-9

Maybe "never" doesn't mean what you think it means.
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We won 30-10...it's not like we didn't score much. 3 offensive TD's to zero for the Dolphins.
I was asking the question referring to the second half.
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Someone posted that the conservative play in the 2nd half was to try to run down the clock. But shouldn't very good teams (of which we feel we are amongst) be able to run down the clock.........and still move the ball effectively and score TDs?
In a perfect world, yes. And that's why Kubiak is upset. This offense is supposed to do that.

Look at the possessions in the second half yesterday:
1st -- 3 and out that ate up less than 2 minutes. (And then the return for a TD)
2nd -- An 11 play drive that ate up 6:42 and ended in a field goal.
3rd -- A 12 play drive that ate up 6:59 and ended in a field goal.
4th -- 3 and out that ate up less than 2 minutes.
5th -- 3 and out that ate up less than 2 minutes but since it started with 4 minutes to go, ate up almost half the remaining time.
6th -- 3 kneel downs.

We've got to get better but we did what we had to do.
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I haven't re-watched the game yet to really focus on the trenches, but at first glance it appeared Myers and Smith had some rough times. Again, this is just my initial reaction without having seen the game again.
I take that back about Myers, until I watch the 2nd half anyways. It was Wade Smith and Caldwell getting beat. Moreso Smith than Caldwell at this point.
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I was asking the question referring to the second half.
we had the ball for ten mins longer even though we weren't running the ball all that well. Our fan base also underestimated/underestimates the Dolphins defense imo. Last season they were actually better than we were against the run. They gave up 3.7ypc and we gave up 4.1 I don't think that Kubiak needed to take any chances by putting the ball up more.

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we had the ball for ten mins longer even though we weren't running the ball all that well. Our fan base also underestimated/underestimates the Dolphins defense imo. Last season they were actually better than we were against the run. They gave up 3.7ypc and we gave up 4.1 I don't think that Kubiak needed to take any chances by putting the ball up more.

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But they were 25th against the pass. Wouldn't that entice you to put it up more?
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But they were 25th against the pass. Wouldn't that entice you to put it up more?
Only if you need to score.

There was no need at that point. We had two relatively long scoring drives in the second half to eat up time and our D was shutting them out. No need to panic and start doing things that could let them back into the game.
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But they were 25th against the pass. Wouldn't that entice you to put it up more?
not when the game is in hand...you play to WIN the game, not to drive up the stat line.
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not when the game is in hand...you play to WIN the game, not to drive up the stat line.
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We won 30-10...it's not like we didn't score much. 3 offensive TD's to zero for the Dolphins.
I said this in another thread but I think it bears repeating ....


I believe we expected the Texans to come out and jump on the Fish early and often. That didnt happen .... due to a few things , dropped passes by Foster , Martin and AJ , poor field position and they were limited to a FG after a first and goal on the 3.
The Fish were able to control the clock early with their ability to run the ball and those stalled drives. And they hadnt made any mistakes to that point.

Sure they won 30-10 but they did the majority of the damage within a short span of time then slogged their way thru the rest of the game.

Once they made mistakes , the Texans capitalized on them ... but I believe that the majority of us expected domination from start to finish. That might be an unrealistic expectation in the NFL .... but thats the vibe I get.

I have to give the Fish some credit for being better than most expected , especially their defensive front Vs the run. They have the pieces in place to be a pretty solid team if they can get better QB play.
Some "experts" have said they are the worst team in the league .... I have to doubt that after watching this game.
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Look at last year's schedule.

We drummed Indy, 34-7
Tennessee @ Tennessee 41-7
Tampa Bay @ Tampa Bay 37-9

Maybe "never" doesn't mean what you think it means.
It seems "seems" does not mean what you think it means.
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I believe we expected the Texans to come out and jump on the Fish early and often. That didnt happen .... due to a few things , dropped passes by Foster , Martin and AJ , poor field position and they were limited to a FG after a first and goal on the 3.
The Fish were able to control the clock early with their ability to run the ball and those stalled drives. And they hadnt made any mistakes to that point.

Sure they won 30-10 but they did the majority of the damage within a short span of time then slogged their way thru the rest of the game.

Once they made mistakes , the Texans capitalized on them ... but I believe that the majority of us expected domination from start to finish. That might be an unrealistic expectation in the NFL .... but thats the vibe I get.

I have to give the Fish some credit for being better than most expected , especially their defensive front Vs the run. They have the pieces in place to be a pretty solid team if they can get better QB play.
Some "experts" have said they are the worst team in the league .... I have to doubt that after watching this game.
Honestly, I didn't expect that. I thought the fins were ok, but they were even better than I thought.
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In a perfect world, yes. And that's why Kubiak is upset. This offense is supposed to do that.

Look at the possessions in the second half yesterday:
1st -- 3 and out that ate up less than 2 minutes. (And then the return for a TD)
2nd -- An 11 play drive that ate up 6:42 and ended in a field goal.
3rd -- A 12 play drive that ate up 6:59 and ended in a field goal.
4th -- 3 and out that ate up less than 2 minutes.
5th -- 3 and out that ate up less than 2 minutes but since it started with 4 minutes to go, ate up almost half the remaining time.
6th -- 3 kneel downs.

We've got to get better but we did what we had to do.
Yeah, but Kubiak can only be upset with himself. He called almost exclusively running plays the last quarter and a half against a great run defense...what does he expect?? Our passing game was working and you went from a nice mix when we scored to trying to stuff the run down the throat of a good run defense. Sounds like questionable play calling, but what do I know...
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Overall this game leaves me concerned in some game facets.

Had trouble containing run of Phins overall....but breaking in a young QB and no real WR threats you had to figure they would go run heavy. Overall though they didn't score an offensive touchdown despite giving up more yards than expected in rushing game.

J.J Watt took over this game at the DE spot. This guy just isn't good, he's turning into a super star player.

Offensively, early struggles but they got scored on all three turnovers like they should have. They're going to have to get better because you can't expect 4 turnovers every game.

Overall though, OD played great, looks like he's back to full form. He's definitely going to chew up yards between the 20's this year for us. AJ looks like...well AJ. That TD catch was vintage. Definitely some moving pieces on the OL, but seemed to play better in second half. I think they'll get better on the right side in time. Might be musical chairs at RT at practice next week or two, but they need to have something figured out by the time they play Denver.
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I think they'll get better on the right side in time. Might be musical chairs at RT at practice next week or two, but they need to have something figured out by the time they play Denver.
Strangely enough, I feel like the left side of the line struggled more than the right side...
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Once you are in the RZ, especially on the 1 yd line, whether you are trying to run the clock down or not, as a self-proclaimed SB contender, you are EXPECTED to get that TD.
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Only if you need to score.

There was no need at that point. We had two relatively long scoring drives in the second half to eat up time and our D was shutting them out. No need to panic and start doing things that could let them back into the game.
IF that's the case, then it also skews rankings in the grander scheme of things. If a team, who could of put up 400 yards passing only puts up 60% of that, then a good secondary allows that same amount to a team like New Orleans, I'd say those stats are off....
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