5 questions: Ben Tate edition

[Pantherstang84]

Since this is a Ben Tate thread.

I was loving the Tater Salad in the 2nd half. Tate was ballin with the rock in his hands.

[Rey]

We need to keep Tate. He's a playmaker.

[ckhouston]

Tate isnt going anywhere.

Best one-two punch in the league and RB health is always a question.

[badboy]

Texans are in best possible position with Tate. Under contract for two more years at low $. Qualities that make you want to keep him (big, strong and catches well) are enticing to other teams. First round picks do not cost as much under new CBA. Forsett as a back up and change of pace back is solid. He ran strong against Jags. Grimes should be ready after this season on PS if a Tate trade becomes an option.

Salary cap will keep a new contract lower with Texans or in free agency. Encourages Tate to remain, encourages other teams to trade before 2013 starts to take advantage of $575,000 last contract year.

Keep him this year and see what you can be offered for 2013.

[Trail.Blazr]

Originally Posted by Rey

How important is Ben Tate to this team? Very Important! Foster comes out and defenses still have to respect the run. He's a gamer!

Can the Texans keep him long term? Can they? Yes. Will they? doubtful. His price tag should make him a casualty. Too bad. I like him. Follow him on Facebook. He's very interactive with the fan base.

Would you try to keep him long term? As much as I like him, I would not. Too much already invested in Foster. And I believe I could stress Too much, but that's not the focus of this thread.

Is there any chance Ben Tate is with the team past next year? Past the 2013 season, I can't see it, unless, heaven forbid, the dynamics of the backfield were to change unexpectedly. Foster is locked up.

What would you expect in return from a trade involving Tate?
I went with a 3rd. But I honestly wouldn't settle for less than a 2nd. At his salary, he has too much value to trade away... A bird in hand

Texans are fortunate. Tate would be a likely starter on 20+ other teams in the NFL

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by badboy

Texans are in best possible position with Tate. Under contract for two more years at low $. Qualities that make you want to keep him (big, strong and catches well) are enticing to other teams. First round picks do not cost as much under new CBA. Forsett as a back up and change of pace back is solid. He ran strong against Jags. Grimes should be ready after this season on PS if a Tate trade becomes an option.

Salary cap will keep a new contract lower with Texans or in free agency. Encourages Tate to remain, encourages other teams to trade before 2013 starts to take advantage of $575,000 last contract year.

Keep him this year and see what you can be offered for 2013.

this ^^^

[Trail.Blazr]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

You have selective memory. When we didn't have a horse like Mike Rozier to pound the ball we were in trouble in 3rd and short and goal line situations.

...but for the sake of discussion, let's say you're right and RBs are easily replaceable in this system (I don't believe that myself; I think it takes a special kind of back with remarkable vision to excell in this system), who would give us anything more than a 4th for a 2nd string, "system RB"? So why wouldn't Tate stay here with a playoff caliber team rather than try to get paid in what's become a pass happy league that values RBs less and less as the seasons progress??

I think Tate stays here.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...used-on-season

I think if you've read this article, you love the fact that Tate is on this team, but should have zero expectation that he's going to settle for getting paid less than top 10 RB money when his contract is up. Enjoy this guy while he's here, but don't rush out and buy a 44 jersey just yet. I can think of a number of teams that would love to get him under contract. I just hope it's not Indy!

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by Trail.Blazr

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...used-on-season

I think if you've read this article, you love the fact that Tate is on this team, but should have zero expectation that he's going to settle for getting paid less than top 10 RB money when his contract is up. Enjoy this guy while he's here, but don't rush out and buy a 44 jersey just yet. I can think of a number of teams that would love to get him under contract. I just hope it's not Indy!

That's a great reason to trade him or sign him and trade Arian next year. We're probably not going to be able to keep both guys long term (although that would be great) and the last thing we want is for one of these guys to end up in our division.

So trade one of them to the NFC so we only have to see him once every 4 years.

[TexansBull]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I don't know if we can get a 1st for him. But I wouldn't give him up for anything less. What's the point?

Detroit looked like they could use him.

[Titans Sux 72]

Originally Posted by Trail.Blazr

Texans are fortunate. Tate would be a likely starter on 20+ other teams in the NFL

Yeah and Arian would be a starter on all 32.
Tate is good but Arian is really good.
Arian reads the cut backs way faster than Tate.
You want a clutch play Arian is your man.

[Titans Sux 72]

The rumor this off season bout a potential Tate trade should have gone down. Would like to see the Texans capitalize on Tates skills this off season with a trade.

[Texan_Bill]

Nothing less than a first rounder. Then again, I'm hoping the Texans get creative enough to keep him around another few years!!

I know, I know, pretty stupid, huh???

[Titans Sux 72]

Move up 10 spots in the first round and pick up an extra 2 or 3.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

That's a great reason to trade him or sign him and trade Arian next year. We're probably not going to be able to keep both guys long term (although that would be great) and the last thing we want is for one of these guys to end up in our division.

So trade one of them to the NFC so we only have to see him once every 4 years.

I have to look at what I know about each player versus costs. If Foster remains health and starts, Tate will not become a Foster. He will have to go elsewhere to get his bucks. Only possibility is if Foster agrees to rework his deal & Texans use cash to sign Tate.

I just don't see keeping Tate in 2014 at a larger cost than it would to develop a draft pick or a Grimes type. I'd prefer a high draft pick for Tate & keep costs down.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by utahmark

It's a business, people play to make money.

Gary Brown ran for 1000 yards in 8 games. We threw the ball a lot in goal line and short yardage situations. Thats what I remember anyway.

No mention of Denver. They are the team we are most like. How do you explain thier running backs success year after year no matter who was in?

Alex Gibbs teachings and Kubiak's play calling.
When those guys left Denver went in the tank.

While I get what you're saying, I don't agree that any ole RB can succeed in this system. They have to have good speed, really good vision, decisiveness (no dancing around - see the hole/hit it and GO), and some power. Not every back has that combo of qualities.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Trail.Blazr

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...used-on-season

I think if you've read this article, you love the fact that Tate is on this team, but should have zero expectation that he's going to settle for getting paid less than top 10 RB money when his contract is up. Enjoy this guy while he's here, but don't rush out and buy a 44 jersey just yet. I can think of a number of teams that would love to get him under contract. I just hope it's not Indy!

This quote from the article you found is in line with my thinking...

Today's NFL might be as much about the evolution of the passing game as it is the backs-by-committee rushing philosophy, but in the case of the latter, that typically means one high-priced back paired with a young, low-priced alternative. Given limited salary-cap resources, teams aren't willing to allocate big-money contracts to two running backs when a) they're relatively easy to replace and b) there are harder-to-fill positions elsewhere on the roster where said money could be better used.

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

That's a great reason to trade him or sign him and trade Arian next year. We're probably not going to be able to keep both guys long term (although that would be great) and the last thing we want is for one of these guys to end up in our division.

So trade one of them to the NFC so we only have to see him once every 4 years.

But that same paragraph I picked out also says Tate may well skip town when his contract is up. So I'll concede that's more than a remote possibility. And along that line of thinking, I agree with TPN. Rick Smith should put out some feelers right now and see who's interested in picking Tate up next year. Let them have to deal with re-signing him. Hey... Frank Gore is getting on in years, I think Tate would fit right in the 'Frisco system. Ship him out west.

[PapaL]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

This quote from the article you found is in line with my thinking...




But that same paragraph I picked out also says Tate may well skip town when his contract is up. So I'll concede that's more than a remote possibility. And along that line of thinking, I agree with TPN. Rick Smith should put out some feelers right now and see who's interested in picking Tate up next year. Let them have to deal with re-signing him. Hey... Frank Gore is getting on in years, I think Tate would fit right in the 'Frisco system. Ship him out west.

What about a team like Carolina? They drafted 2 good young backs and recently extended both of them. Granted neither are at our guys levels but throw in Cam Newton and salary wise it could make for an interesting case.