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Old 09-05-2012   #21
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KEEEEEO, K-E-E-E-O, KEO cut and the cap hit be gone, KEO cut and the cap hit be gone..

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I heard somewhere that if we cut Keo, we actually take a cap HIT. Can anyone confirm this, or am I completely off base?
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John Clayton has been a pretty respected cap man. This is what he had to say back in the end of March.....pretty much in line with other sources knowledgeable of the situation.


Read the whole article, including specific mention of the Texans situation
Not arguing, just here is some more information from Clayton, posted June 08. AF signed his deal March 5, 2012. Chris Myers March 16. So only high cost new deal with be Duane Browns.

An old post of mine.




In this piece about salary cap room, John Clayton shares some detail thatís quite positive for the AFC South.

And some of the money will have to be spent on retaining in-house free-agents-to-be -- a list that includes Connor Barwin and Duane Brown in Houston

Even with those pending free agents, Claytonís salary-cap list for 2013 is filled with good news for the AFC South.


The Texans will have $24.8 million.




http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/pos...cap-situations

Reading the article, gives us 5th most cap room in 2013.
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I heard somewhere that if we cut Keo, we actually take a cap HIT. Can anyone confirm this, or am I completely off base?
There would be dead money but it isn't more than his $465k salary.
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That's amazing...... we're screwed.
I'm not so sure we're screwed. Teams that draft well consistently and get FA's and draft picks that fit their system will probably be the ones in the playoffs the most. Teams that don't draft well and throw big money at the FA's every year, and have a "revolving door" with coaches and players will probably not do well. To me the Texans are set up to be one of the better teams in this salary cap era. They will have to continue to make tough choices every off season like they did this last one, but as long as they continue to draft well and get selected FA's that fit their system, they should be fine IMO. Time will tell.
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There would be dead money but it isn't more than his $465k salary.
Still need to sign someone into his spot, so I don't see how you can save money by cutting a min salary player, period.
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Question is did Duane Brown's Contract put our back up against the cap this year? Even if so worth every damn penny.

I have to say I think the FO mostly made the right moves concerning getting Myers, Foster, and Brown's contract in this year.

Next year's big cuts/questions might be Antonio Smith, Connor Barwin, and Matt Schaub. Smith doesn't have a terribly bloated contract even though I thought we initially over paid him but, with some younger guys coming in and producing it could make him expendable for cap reasons. Barwin's on a contract year, which should at least be good as if not better than last year. He'll likely be a prized FA unless we can work out a reasonable extension during the season. Biggest question mark of the three is Schaub. Can he stay fully healthy for another year? Durability questions have plagued his tenure here and will the FO be willing to sink that kind of money into him despite being a top 10 QB when healthy. Big year for Matt.
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Well the NFL (the ones who count) say we have $2.7 mil in cap room - Link
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Well, that would certainly provide a logical reason as to why he's still on the team.

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Not arguing, just here is some more information from Clayton, posted June 08. AF signed his deal March 5, 2012. Chris Myers March 16. So only high cost new deal with be Duane Browns.

An old post of mine.




In this piece about salary cap room, John Clayton shares some detail that’s quite positive for the AFC South.

And some of the money will have to be spent on retaining in-house free-agents-to-be -- a list that includes Connor Barwin and Duane Brown in Houston

Even with those pending free agents, Clayton’s salary-cap list for 2013 is filled with good news for the AFC South.


The Texans will have $24.8 million.




http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/pos...cap-situations

Reading the article, gives us 5th most cap room in 2013.
Even if this is close to true, there is the factor of the mandatory minimum expenditure to begin in 2013. There will be more money being thrown to a limited number of subelite/elite players. This will probably force more teams to pay franchise money to retain valuable players. I have a feeling that, due to so many unknowns, including those based on health and performance this year, numbers anticipated will not have the same meaning/implications by the time we deal with this issue next year.
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Where are all those people that used to complain about our owner being cheap?
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John Clayton has been a pretty respected cap man. This is what he had to say back in the end of March.....pretty much in line with other sources knowledgeable of the situation.


Read the whole article, including specific mention of the Texans situation
Man, that DeMaurice Smith is a real genius.

He's going to make a great politician.
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Where are all those people that used to complain about our owner being cheap?
He was...until he bought a GREAT d-coord, a GREAT CB, and a GREAT Safety.

To act as if he was always a big spender is so lame.

When the hell have we EVER been up against the cap prior to this year? Never. 9 years of being well under the cap, in year 10 we might be over or right at it...so unmm yeah, he has never spent like this before.
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Yes, I posted it yesterday. The other two teams are the Giants and the Lions.
Yup!!! And the Giants just sucked and the Lions are, well.......... "Paper Lions"!


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He was...until he bought a GREAT d-coord, a GREAT CB, and a GREAT Safety.

To act as if he was always a big spender is so lame.

When the hell have we EVER been up against the cap prior to this year? Never. 9 years of being well under the cap, in year 10 we might be over or right at it...so unmm yeah, he has never spent like this before.
Dont let facts get in the way of an agenda.

This team could've been this good 3 yrs ago if BoB had spent the $$$$. I kinda feel sorry for Rick and Gary, that it took almost BoB losing his loyal fanbase to make BoB spend some $$$$ for a competent secondary and DC.
So that Gary could do the job he was hired to do.

Let the flaming begin.
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He was...until he bought a GREAT d-coord, a GREAT CB, and a GREAT Safety.

To act as if he was always a big spender is so lame.

When the hell have we EVER been up against the cap prior to this year? Never. 9 years of being well under the cap, in year 10 we might be over or right at it...so unmm yeah, he has never spent like this before.
Not spending big money on free agents when this team had no chance of doing anything would of only made it impossible to go out and get a couple of guys last year(when it actually made a difference). Being smart with your money and building through the draft is not the same as being cheap. Our players who came from other teams have mentioned the difference of playing for cheap owners and how Bob is not cheap.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...exans-are-not/

Now when we need to start spending a little money to compliment our draft we have seen that he will. I think we can put that fantasy to rest.
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He was...until he bought a GREAT d-coord, a GREAT CB, and a GREAT Safety.

To act as if he was always a big spender is so lame.

When the hell have we EVER been up against the cap prior to this year? Never. 9 years of being well under the cap *ahem* Not true, in year 10 we might be over or right at it...so unmm yeah, he has never spent like this before.
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Dont let facts get in the way of an agenda.

This team could've been this good 3 yrs ago if BoB had spent the $$$$. I kinda feel sorry for Rick and Gary, that it took almost BoB losing his loyal fanbase to make BoB spend some $$$$ for a competent secondary and DC.
So that Gary could do the job he was hired to do.

Let the flaming begin.

Hey brothers, I think both of y'all have somewhat of revisionist histoty.


We've been up against the cap WAY prior to this year! Maybe bad decisions to get us there, absolutely... That said, to say this is the first year the Texans were in cap hell, well is flat out WRONG!

Couple that with the asinine assertion that Bob is cheap and hasn't spent money is equally ignorant. Obviously a lot of those "spendings' didn't work out maybe because of poor scouting (i.e. Anthony Weaver, etc.), but by the same token, how is that free-agent signing of Antonio Smith working out??

Quit trying to pick on one another, because at the end of the day, those guys on Kirby, know a hellavu lot more than either one of y'all do..
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Hey brothers, I think both of y'all have somewhat of revisionist histoty.
It is more than somewhat. The Texans have been one of the top payroll teams every year and have never had a significant amount of unused cap space. From the Capers era into the first couple years with Kubiak we had a ton of dead money. Spending has not been the problem. Spending wisely has. Having Gary Walker, Domanick Davis, Robaire Smith, etc. sign big contracts and then not contribute hamstrung the Texans.
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It is more than somewhat. The Texans have been one of the top payroll teams every year and have never had a significant amount of unused cap space. From the Capers era into the first couple years with Kubiak we had a ton of dead money. Spending has not been the problem. Spending wisely has. Having Gary Walker, Domanick Davis, Robaire Smith, etc. sign big contracts and then not contribute hamstrung the Texans.
I generally stay away from McNair is cheap crowd because what they really mean is "McNair did not overspend on a guy that i think he should spend the money on" We have been doing this dance for 6, 7, 8 years. The facts that the player(s) they want are known but not good and the Texans have had salary cap issues as many year as not mean nothing. It is not about what McNair spends but about some player that the Texans did not sign.
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It is more than somewhat. The Texans have been one of the top payroll teams every year and have never had a significant amount of unused cap space. From the Capers era into the first couple years with Kubiak we had a ton of dead money. Spending has not been the problem. Spending wisely has. Having Gary Walker, Domanick Davis, Robaire Smith, etc. sign big contracts and then not contribute hamstrung the Texans.
Nono, Bob is cheap. That's the only explanation.
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I see this as the league reducing player movement and controlling costs.
The new CBA cap is a way for the have nots and small market teams to force the other teams to "balance the league". For a limited time teams like Buffalo will be able to sign FAs such as Mario Williams but eventually even those teams will be restricted in spending. Parity, is it a beautiful thing?

I expect an end to back loading contracts for the most part and maybe a beginning to writing contracts much differently. I would think a vet's contract should reflect his projected better years with the higher salary. Using a player like Schaub for example, his skills should (not necessarily will) deteriorate as he gets older. IMO, his first year of any new deal should be highest and either level or reduce each year. At first, this probably will encourage most FAs to seek the golden goose elsewhere. I think this is to allow NFL owners to get a more manageable cost with rosters.
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