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Old 09-04-2012   #1
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ESPN was reporting it along with two other teams ( can't remember). I am on my phone but anyone else read or hear about it ?
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ESPN was replying it along with two other teams ( can't remember). I am on my phone but anyone else read or hear about it ?
Yes, I posted it yesterday. The other two teams are the Giants and the Lions.
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That's why the Texans had to make difficult decision this off-season.
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Of our cuts this past offseason, anyone know how much are we paying still this year? Dead money that will clear next year, if any? Thanks!
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The texans know what they are doing,,,,,,the FO has a plan and we will be fine next season.
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The texans know what they are doing,,,,,,the FO has a plan and we will be fine next season.
Smith has definately won me over with his shrewd moves regarding the cap .... He's shown he isnt afraid to take big risks while sticking with the plan.

McNair has definately built a solid front office , we're lucky fans to have such quality from GM to coaches , coordinators and assistants. Its taken a few years longer than anyone would like , but the results going forward will speak volumes. I really expect this franchise to be fighting for the whole sack of marbles year in year out for the next 4-5 years.


We've come a long way from the media making fun of us with images of HHWNBM lining up without an OL.
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With Texans over cap, they used their $1.6 million salary-cap credit from Redskins and Cowboys to get under it. Houston now in compliance.
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With Texans over cap, they used their $1.6 million salary-cap credit from Redskins and Cowboys to get under it. Houston now in compliance.
And there you go.

The pros pulling out magic tricks I didn't even know existed.
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And there you go.

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Yes, this year they managed to pull their money out of next year's ass.
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Yes, this year they managed to pull their money out of next year's ass.
Hopefully the cap goes up quite a bit next yr. I have my doubts.

I find it curious that Rick/Gary were about to be fired, then go out and sign the best FA CB and S. All of the sudden the Texans are SB contenders. Even after losing Schaub/AJ. (Yeah signing top tier FA's doesn't matter) Unfortunately this meant having to let Rackers/Winston Briesel go. This is a trade off I would take every yr.

This should've been done 3 yrs ago. IMHO
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Default Re: Report: Texans over salary cap by 700k

How much dead money do we have against the books this year from Ryans and Okoyes contracts?
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Hopefully the cap goes up quite a bit next yr. I have my doubts.

I find it curious that Rick/Gary were about to be fired, then go out and sign the best FA CB and S. All of the sudden the Texans are SB contenders. Even after losing Schaub/AJ. (Yeah signing top tier FA's doesn't matter) Unfortunately this meant having to let Rackers/Winston Briesel go. This is a trade off I would take every yr.

This should've been done 3 yrs ago. IMHO
Lombardi and others have reported that the 2013 salary cap is expected to be nothing but flat.
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Lombardi and others have reported that the 2013 salary cap is expected to be nothing but flat.
If thats the case , the Texans have their work cut out for them .... the list of FA's next year is a long one with everything from starters to quality depth.

The window of opportunity for a serious run could get closed if they cant figure out how to keep the important guy's and replace the quality depth with young cheap players.


And if they do win it all .... expect many of those FA's to be poached by teams with big $$ to spend.


From what I had read / heard prior to the draft , the 2013 and 2014 caps were suppose to go up significantly because of the new TV contracts kicking in - that only 2012 was going to remain flat with the new CBA.
That may have been bad information .... but considering the source , I find that difficult to believe.
If anything , having only partial information may have altered the numbers.
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If thats the case , the Texans have their work cut out for them .... the list of FA's next year is a long one with everything from starters to quality depth.

The window of opportunity for a serious run could get closed if they cant figure out how to keep the important guy's and replace the quality depth with young cheap players.


And if they do win it all .... expect many of those FA's to be poached by teams with big $$ to spend.


From what I had read / heard prior to the draft , the 2013 and 2014 caps were suppose to go up significantly because of the new TV contracts kicking in - that only 2012 was going to remain flat with the new CBA.
That may have been bad information .... but considering the source , I find that difficult to believe.
If anything , having only partial information may have altered the numbers.
John Clayton has been a pretty respected cap man. This is what he had to say back in the end of March.....pretty much in line with other sources knowledgeable of the situation.
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Stagnant salary cap? Pretty much
Although revenues will soar in coming years, cap ceiling won't see significant hike

Originally Published: March 28, 2012
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Perhaps the biggest surprise of the 2012 NFL owners meetings is the salary-cap projections.

Starting with the 2014 season, revenues are expected to rise significantly because of increased television dollars and the overall strength of the game. What won't rise much is the salary cap.

After having flat caps of $120.375 million in 2011 and $120.6 million in 2012, the NFL management council told clubs Tuesday that the cap won't increase much in the next three years. In fact, the 2015 cap may go up to only $122 million, according to management council projections.

Although the cap numbers for 2013, 2014 and 2015 still can be negotiated, projections point to very little increase. The cap may rise by only $300,000 in 2013, going to around $120.9 million. Even though increased network television money is coming in 2014, the cap is projected to go only into the $121-plus million range.


If that sounds amazing, consider this: The salary cap in 2009 was $123 million, higher than what is projected to be in 2015.

Where did all the salary-cap money go?

The answer resides in what has happened during the first two seasons of the new collective bargaining agreement. When the management council and the NFL Players Association ran the numbers from the percentage of money going to the players, the salary cap in 2011 was supposed to be less than $120 million. It could have been as low as around $116 million.

To put more salary money into free agency last season, the union was able to shift some of the benefit money into salary money. The result was a $120.375 million cap in 2011.

According to sources, the salary cap was supposed to be around $113.5 million this year. With 427 free agents, a huge cap decrease would have depressed the market and given almost too much contract leverage to teams. The union worked out a deal with the owners to trade off $7.1 million in benefit dollars per team from future years to have a $120.6 million salary cap.

What made things even more palatable for free agents was that approximately $283 million of unused cap dollars from 2011 was selectively rolled over into this year's cap. It's a plus for the players if teams roll over unused cap dollars into the next year, but eventually the flat caps would eat up the annual excess.

Already, it's causing teams to make tough decisions.
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Players are still hoping for big salary-cap increases in 2014 and 2015, but the numbers aren't going in that direction. A flat cap means tougher negotiations for long-term deals.
Read the whole article, including specific mention of the Texans situation
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Where did all the salary-cap money go?

The answer resides in what has happened during the first two seasons of the new collective bargaining agreement. When the management council and the NFL Players Association ran the numbers from the percentage of money going to the players, the salary cap in 2011 was supposed to be less than $120 million. It could have been as low as around $116 million.

To put more salary money into free agency last season, the union was able to shift some of the benefit money into salary money. The result was a $120.375 million cap in 2011.

According to sources, the salary cap was supposed to be around $113.5 million this year. With 427 free agents, a huge cap decrease would have depressed the market and given almost too much contract leverage to teams. The union worked out a deal with the owners to trade off $7.1 million in benefit dollars per team from future years to have a $120.6 million salary cap.
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That's amazing...... we're screwed.
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Everyone is screwed considering how teams backload contracts
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John Clayton has been a pretty respected cap man. This is what he had to say back in the end of March.....pretty much in line with other sources knowledgeable of the situation.


Read the whole article, including specific mention of the Texans situation
I cant argue with the numbers .... just making the statement that earlier this year many expected the 2013/14 cap to have substantial increases.

We wont know anything for certain until we have the actual numbers to plug in .... But this isnt good news for many teams while others like Cleveland who decided to stay at the bottom end of the required spending will be able to cash in.

I was dreading next years FA class before reading this , now Im wondering if this is could be a one shot deal for the Texans - win now or take a step back having to reload.
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It's the way the owners set it up and it's what the players were talking about.

The owners wanted a setup that would keep them from over-spending on players. They wanted something that would FORCE them to keep salaries down.

All these high priced FAs? They're just as screwed by the stagnant cap as we are. They're going to be forced to take lower contracts because there's not going to be anyone out there with enough space to sign them to these ever-increasing amounts.

The way things used to be set up:
1) Big name rookies got huge contracts based on their draft position.
2) Players coming out of their rookie contract got PAID based on previous performance.

With this stagnant cap and rookie cap, both of these things are greatly reduced. The guys who got paid in the old system got lucky because it's going to be harder and harder to get one of those HUGE contracts.
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