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Old 08-29-2012   #1
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Gregg Rosenthal ranked the following QBs ahead of Schaub, in order of tiers:

Rogers, Brady, Brees

Roethlisberger, Newton, PManning

EManning, Cutler, Rivers, Romo, Stafford

Vick, Ryan, Flacco, Luck

He ranked Schaub in the same tier with RG3, Dalton, Palmer, and Freeman.
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He should probably be up in the vick/flacco tier.

You could maybe even make the argument that he should replace Culter in the one above that.

Pretty accurate rank though.
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Gregg Rosenthal ranked the following QBs ahead of Schaub, in order of tiers:

Rogers, Brady, Brees

Roethlisberger, Newton, PManning

EManning, Cutler, Rivers, Romo, Stafford

Vick, Ryan, Flacco, Luck

He ranked Schaub in the same tier with RG3, Dalton, Palmer, and Freeman.
This dip**** also ranked Cam over Eli, Romo and Rivers.
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This dip**** also ranked Cam over Eli, Romo and Rivers.
Yep, Cam in the same category as Manning makes me want to hurl.
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Yep, Cam in the same category as Manning makes me want to hurl.
And ahead of Eli Manning.

If it were me, I'd swap Peyton and Eli, since this is a current evaluation and not an All-Time thing. Cam would drop down a tier, probably two. Schaub, Cutler, and Rivers are essentially equal, in my eyes. Cutler and Rivers are perceived as more talented, but they haven't done anything Schaub hasn't, as far as I'm concerned.
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Default Re: Schaub labeled "middle of the pack" (16-20 range)

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Gregg Rosenthal ranked the following QBs ahead of Schaub, in order of tiers:

Rogers, Brady, Brees

Roethlisberger, Newton, PManning

EManning, Cutler, Rivers, Romo, Stafford

Vick, Ryan, Flacco, Luck

He ranked Schaub in the same tier with RG3, Dalton, Palmer, and Freeman.
let's take em one tier at a time:

Tier 1: Agreed. Schaub is not on the level of Rogers, Brees, or Brady
Tier 2: Roethlisberger and Manning I agree. Big Ben and Peyton have done it consistently for years at a higher rate than Schaub. Manning I am giving the benefit of the doubt to until the regular season.

Newton is a big disagreement. He had a redhot start but then fell down to earth. Let's see him for a couple of full seasons before we say he is better than Schuab.

Tier 3: EManning: yes. He has made the big throws in the big games. Schaub hasn't as of yet. Cutler: No. Highly overrated gunslinger attitude passer. Throws a bunch of poorly thought out passes. Rivers/Romo. I see them in the same group as Schaub, solid have some issues, but can win with them. Neither,(like Schaub) has thrown the big passes in the big game. Stafford: has had 1 year where he wasn't injured. Let's see if he can put together another one before we put him this high.

Tier 4: Vick. Prior to Philly he was an overrated QB: poor passer great runner. Now he has reformed his passing ability to compliment his running. Problem is he cannot stay healthy. Injury concerns will only increase with age, but I would put him in the Schaub/Rivers/Romo group. Ryan: Hasn't really gotten it done. Has a ton of weapons but stunk it out in the playoffs last year. For now, put him in the Schaub group. Flacco: A QB who takes advantage of a steller running game and Defense. Doesn't have to do much. I would put him in the Schaub group. Luck hasn't done anything.

Tier 5:RG3: See Luck. Dalton: one solid year. Let's see what he can do with more than 1 year under his belt. Palmer: fallen off quite a bit. Freeman: highly overrated. Big arm but not much else.

Here is how I would stack it:

Tier 1: Rogers. Brady, Brees

Tier 2:Roethlisberger, P Manning, E Manning

Tier 3: Schaub, Romo, Rivers, Stafford, Vick, Ryan, Flacco,

Tier 4: Cutler, Freeman, Palmer

Tier Rookie/2nd year: Luck, Newton, RG3, Dalton
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He said his evaluation is not based on past performance or results:, but rather "Who would we want as our QB leading a team this year and this year only".

Ok, by that logic I can understand why Schaub would be rated lower than others because of injury concerns. But why the hell is Vick ahead of him then? The same injury concerns are there and Schaub has the ability to move his team more efficiently.
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Gregg Rosenthal ranked the following QBs ahead of Schaub, in order of tiers:

Rogers, Brady, Brees

Roethlisberger, Newton, PManning

EManning, Cutler, Rivers, Romo, Stafford

Vick, Ryan, Flacco, Luck

He ranked Schaub in the same tier with RG3, Dalton, Palmer, and Freeman.
Eli is one of five QBs in NFL history to have 2 Super Bowl MVPs.

It's a joke that this guy puts Cam over Eli.

After reading that far, I lost all respect for his perspective and chalk it up to the "everyone has one and they all stink" routine.

Luck hasn't even thrown a pass in a regular season game and he's already better than Schaub? yeah, I smell something stinky.
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Eli is one of five QBs in NFL history to have 2 Super Bowl MVPs.

It's a joke that this guy puts Cam over Eli.

After reading that far, I lost all respect for his perspective and chalk it up to the "everyone has one and they all stink" routine.

Luck hasn't even thrown a pass in a regular season game and he's already better than Schaub? yeah, I smell something stinky.
This is what I hate about evaluating QB's. Because QB's like Eli and Big Ben have won multiple Super Bowls they will automatically be ranked higher than they otherwise would be. And the opposite is true for QB's like Romo, Stafford, Cutler, Rivers, etc.. The playoffs factor in too much when evaluating the QB play.
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Putting Schaub , a guy who is one of 11 QB's in history to throw for 4500+ yards in consecutive seasons below Luck and even with RG3 - two guy's who have never completed a pass in a regular season game .... I cant give this list any credibility.
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Gregg Rosenthal ranked the following QBs ahead of Schaub, in order of tiers:

Rogers, Brady, Brees

Roethlisberger, Newton, PManning

EManning, Cutler, Rivers, Romo, Stafford

Vick, Ryan, Flacco, Luck

He ranked Schaub in the same tier with RG3, Dalton, Palmer, and Freeman.
Newton,Cutler,Romo,Stafford,Vick,Ryan,Flacco,Luck WTF!!!!! Hell no Schaub above those QB'S SMH ridiculous Romo I'm iffy on Could say him and Schaub are in the same class but those other guys No No No No
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Peyton should be tier 1 and I'd take all of tier 3 before I took Newton. I'd also take Schaub before Newton and any of the rookies who have yet to prove ANYTHING in the NFL.
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I've been calling Schaub TOP 10 for the last few years. I'd say that if you made a list though, you could argue that other guys belong over him in the top 10. It's all about perspective really. No way he is out of the top 15 though.

I'm only concerned with RIGHT NOW as far as Schaub goes though, and RIGHT NOW Schaub is looking damn good going into the season. Schaub looks crisp, focused, and as sharp as I have ever seen Schaub look. I'm proud that he our QB.
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This is what I hate about evaluating QB's. Because QB's like Eli and Big Ben have won multiple Super Bowls they will automatically be ranked higher than they otherwise would be. And the opposite is true for QB's like Romo, Stafford, Cutler, Rivers, etc.. The playoffs factor in too much when evaluating the QB play.
lol! Playoff performance is not indicative of quality of QB?

Look, you can stick with your fantasy football stats, but bigger picture analysis should be inclusive of post-season performances, as well.

Eli just got a ring and MVP earlier this year. Yet Cam Newton is already better than him when he has earned nothing?
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lol! Playoff performance is not indicative of quality of QB?

Look, you can stick with your fantasy football stats, but bigger picture analysis should be inclusive of post-season performances, as well.

Eli just got a ring and MVP earlier this year. Yet Cam Newton is already better than him when he has earned nothing?
Nothing but a losing record .....
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This is what I hate about evaluating QB's. Because QB's like Eli and Big Ben have won multiple Super Bowls they will automatically be ranked higher than they otherwise would be. And the opposite is true for QB's like Romo, Stafford, Cutler, Rivers, etc.. The playoffs factor in too much when evaluating the QB play.
It wasn't the case in the old days, but increasingly since 1978 the QB is the most important player on the field. The last decade, the QB is at such a premium that it's probably the #1 indicator of whether or not your team is going to be a winning one. So when a QB has Super Bowl wins, especially in the past decade, it probably means he's really damn good. There are exceptions to any rule, but none of the current QBs that have won SBs are an exception.
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