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Old 08-30-2012   #41
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Default Re: REPORT: Keenum vs. Beck, Thur. night, to win the QB3 job

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It'll either be good, or it'll be bad.

Spread offense QBs (Chase Daniel, Drew Brees, Brandon Weedum, Graham Harrell, Kevin Kolb, Case Keenum) they either translate to the NFL or they don't.

I think Beck will be the QB3 when the dust settles. Case to the PS, then see what he can do next camp. That's my most recent prediction. Will be interesting to see how it plays out tonight and on Friday when cuts are announced.

Obviously I'd love for Keenum to win the job. But he has to earn it. And I just think he's not there yet. Close, but not yet.
This is what I've been saying for a while now.

I think Beck is the QB3 if we were to start the season right now. I think that Kubes is going to want an experienced guy he can trust a little bit in that QB3 spot. And by "a little bit", I mean he's not going to expect the guy to do a lot.

And after last year, I don't think he wants to go without a QB3.

So that means Beck.

But if Case comes out and shows some masterful control of the offense, Beck is gone. "Masterful control" doesn't mean making a bunch of passes for big plays. "Masterful control" doesn't mean dazzling us by doing stuff after the plays break down. "Masterful control" means making the right reads and audibles to get us into the right plays and throwing to the correct receivers in his reads.

So Case doesn't have to light it up and set the world on fire to become the QB3. He just has to look like a really good vet who can outplay Beck within the system of the offense.

I don't expect Case to do that.
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Default Re: REPORT: Keenum vs. Beck, Thur. night, to win the QB3 job

If Russel Wilson can be a starter for the Seahawks, Keenum can be the #3 QB for the Texans - if he performed up to par, that is.
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This is what I've been saying for a while now.

I think Beck is the QB3 if we were to start the season right now. I think that Kubes is going to want an experienced guy he can trust a little bit in that QB3 spot. And by "a little bit", I mean he's not going to expect the guy to do a lot.

And after last year, I don't think he wants to go without a QB3.

So that means Beck.

But if Case comes out and shows some masterful control of the offense, Beck is gone. "Masterful control" doesn't mean making a bunch of passes for big plays. "Masterful control" doesn't mean dazzling us by doing stuff after the plays break down. "Masterful control" means making the right reads and audibles to get us into the right plays and throwing to the correct receivers in his reads.

So Case doesn't have to light it up and set the world on fire to become the QB3. He just has to look like a really good vet who can outplay Beck within the system of the offense.

I don't expect Case to do that.
I think I disagree with all of that.

I think kubiak wants to keep case no matter what, but would prefer to ps him. I think beck has to play his way on the roster tonight and convince kubiak to carry 3 qb's.

If it comes down to Keenum or beck playing you might as well go with the young guy with room to grow than beck who is not going to take your team anywhere anyways.
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If Russel Wilson can be a starter for the Seahawks, Keenum can be the #3 QB for the Texans - if he performed up to par, that is.
That sounded like something John Madden would say on MNF.

"That Case Keenum kid. I tell ya' what, he's somethin' else. If Russell Wilson can be the starter for the Seahawks, then Case Keenum can be the third Quarterback in Houston. Know what I mean, Al?"

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I think I disagree with all of that.

I think kubiak wants to keep case no matter what, but would prefer to ps him. I think beck has to play his way on the roster tonight and convince kubiak to carry 3 qb's.

If it comes down to Keenum or beck playing you might as well go with the young guy with room to grow than beck who is not going to take your team anywhere anyways.
Well, that depends on Kubiak's tolerance level for the potential to see spotty, rookie QB performance in a crucial season like we have right now. I think the Matt Leinart turfing incident in Jax really unnerved Kubiak...it sure as hell rattled all of us.

John Beck might be that Sage Rosenfels type of guy that Kubiak leans on rather than a rookie gunslinger. He's got that in TJ Yates if he wants that. IMO.
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Default Re: REPORT: Keenum vs. Beck, Thur. night, to win the QB3 job

Beck got his half in. He looked solid. Missed on a couple of throws, but also made a couple of nice completions under pressure. Nothing very far down field, but no major mistakes.

If Beck already had the lead, Case is really going to have to show something special in the second half to overtake him.
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Beck got his half in. He looked solid. Missed on a couple of throws, but also made a couple of nice completions under pressure. Nothing very far down field, but no major mistakes.

If Beck already had the lead, Case is really going to have to show something special in the second half to overtake him.
No way! Case already has the job!

Has the 2nd half started yet?
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Honestly...I'm so tired of hearing about Keenum that I hope he gets cut. I couldn't imagine an entire year(s) of this. Yes the world revolves around me. Get over it.
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Default Re: REPORT: Keenum vs. Beck, Thur. night, to win the QB3 job

I don't think that Case was ever very likely to make the 53. I'd have liked to have seen it happen but after watching the way he's played this preseason and the specific opportunities he's been given by the coaches I think they intended to sit him on the practice squad pretty much from day one barring him pulling some Clark Kent/Superman transformation.

Beck has been put in a position to show what he can do. Keenum has been given fewer opportunities with fewer assets to work with. I don't think that's a particularly bad thing in this situation. He'll get a year of work on the practice squad and come back either ready to seize his own spot on the roster or not.
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I agree. It's slightly less annoying than VY fanboys.
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I agree. It's slightly less annoying than VY fanboys.

Oh please, gimmie a break. It's nothing like the VY situation, not even close.
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Well I hoped Case would have got to show more. Hopefully he can develop more skills on the practice squad.
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I agree. It's slightly less annoying than VY fanboys.
Eh, VY was 24-7 on the radio stations for a little while, especially while bandwagon fans were riding the Titans jock because he went to the playoffs as a rookie and always had a good game in Reliant. I haven't heard nearly as much cognitive dissonance with re: Keenum on the radio this preseason. I don't think anybody is really going to clamor for him to come in, in Schaub's place during a regular season game.
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Oh please, gimmie a break. It's nothing like the VY situation, not even close.
Of course, not, but he has been overtalked about considering he is a marginal NFL prospect.
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Of course, not, but he has been overtalked about considering he is a marginal NFL prospect.
Well sure he has. I imagine every "hometown hero" gets that treatment when he signs to play with his hometown's NFL team. VY was like that example taken to an off-the charts level.

Case just illustrates how far apart the college and pro games are. He was an unbelievable college talent and is at best a developmental project at this level.

People pull for underdogs. They pull for them even harder when they know them.
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Default Re: REPORT: Keenum vs. Beck, Thur. night, to win the QB3 job

I doubt anyone will snap up Keenum when he is waived.

Not real sure he will beat out a few of the others to make our PS.

We need someone on the PS that can eventually leapfrog Yates.

I don't think Keenum can do that.

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Default Re: REPORT: Keenum vs. Beck, Thur. night, to win the QB3 job

Disagree with that..

The difference between Beck and Keenum tonight was that Posey took his slant 80 yards to the endzone, and Norris dropped the slant pass from Keenum that hit him right in the hands.

If Norris holds on and Posey gets tackled, Keenum and Beck are both 6 of 10 for about 50 yards.

Posey scores on a fantastic tackle-breaking run and Beck is a lock to make the team and Keenum is a roll of the dice to make the practice squad?

Don't see it.. Hopefully our coaches aren't thinking that way..

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We need someone on the PS that can eventually leapfrog Yates.

I don't think Keenum can do that.

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In my eyes I thought Beck looked like he was comfortable and makes nice throws under heat. Keenum is a PS QB at this point...may be all he will ever be. Upside is Ty Detmer. The Texans may even sign some other cut QB to their PS over him.
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I don't think that Case was ever very likely to make the 53.

Beck has been put in a position to show what he can do.
I don't think Case was ever going to make the 53. Beck needed to blow Kubiak away tonight, convince him to keep 3 QBs on the 53, which would probably also prevent us from putting Case on the PS.

I didn't watch the game, but from reading the threads, I don't think Beck blew anyone away.

he's gone.
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