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Old 08-27-2012   #21
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I am getting DirecTV and a DVR today. The irritating thing about that is I didn't have it for the game on Saturday. There was one play where I believe Newton was called for holding. If anyone could post that video, I'd be most appreciative. He flipped the defender completely over. I laughed my ass off at the time. If you're going to hold, that's the way to do it, LOL.
The play I saw he got called for holding, he had his hands outside the defender's shoulders as the RB ran around him. However, the defender didn't make a play on the RB & it didn't "look" like a hold to me. I don't think that gets called in the regular season.
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Old 08-27-2012   #22
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The play I saw he got called for holding, he had his hands outside the defender's shoulders as the RB ran around him. However, the defender didn't make a play on the RB & it didn't "look" like a hold to me. I don't think that gets called in the regular season.
That's not the play I'm thinking of at all then. Maybe it wasn't the holding play, but it was pretty cool, whatever it was.
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The game is airing on nfl network right now
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Think I just seen the play when he threw 94 on the ground on a foster run
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Think I just seen the play when he threw 94 on the ground on a foster run
I don't have NFL Network for another 30 minutes to an hour! Aauugh!

What is the approximate quarter and time of the play?
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First quarter think the time was 8.25 left in the quarter
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First quarter think the time was 8.25 left in the quarter
Much appreciated! I plan to get the All-22 package, so I should be able to go back and watch it again. If I can figure out how to post video, I will.
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Was I shocked when I heard this? Absolutely not... but back when camp started, had you told me Newton would get the gig over Butler, I would assume it would be because Butler was injured, or took over at LT after a Brown injury or something...didn't see this back then...

I thought this job was Butler's based on his experience and how well he was able to perform at left-tackle those four games Deewayne missed once upon a time... Very dissapointed that Butler couldn't go grab this job by the junk, because I've always thought of him as better than that...

As far as Newton goes, he has outdone Butler... has he been great? Nope... concerned about the position, but it was for sure the right decision going with Newton...an obvious one from what I've seen this preseason..
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I am getting DirecTV and a DVR today. The irritating thing about that is I didn't have it for the game on Saturday. There was one play where I believe Newton was called for holding. If anyone could post that video, I'd be most appreciative. He flipped the defender completely over. I laughed my ass off at the time. If you're going to hold, that's the way to do it, LOL.
(9:35 to go in the first) Newton threw the 43 DE to the ground and was called for holding.
Too bad, Foster couldn't make the cut to the right a little sooner.
There's some good blockings on the right side there.

If Foster was able to make that cut, perhaps Newton didn't have to hold. (It was still Newton's fault for losing the first step to the DE though).
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Next year's first round pick - Jake Matthews, OT Texas A&M
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Well, given the fact that Butler's been in the league since 2006, participated in numerous off season training programs, numerous training camps, started 4 games and been active for 42, and Newton's entering his second season, just completed his first off season training program, his second training camp, started no games, and been active for 14, it seems pretty obvious that even if it's a dead heat now (and I think Newton's looked slightly better to begin with), which one has the most upside down the road. Also one of them is under contract at a lower cost for a longer period of time.

I know you make the decision based on who the best player is right now, but when there's little to no difference, future upside, and contract considerations validly factor in to that decision.
This makes sense to me. Six yrs in the league and Butler has yet to distinguish himself.... All other things being equal, go with the guy with more "upside". And if he also happens to have less salary cap impact, well....
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I believe Newton does have more upside, and he will be good, but get ready to see some ugly hits on Schaub. I'm not looking forward to the Bills game now.
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I'm in the minority somewhat, but Newton hasn't been close to being what I thought he'd be. Gary talked about how raw he was and he is a little raw, but i see what he likes in him. He'll only get more comfortable now I think knowing he is the man and doesn't have to press. Playing on the line is kind of like anything else in you have to get in a lot of work in and he'll find his rhythm. Then the game will start to slow down for him. Newton will be fine.

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I'm in the minority somewhat, but Newton hasn't been close to being what I thought he'd be. Gary talked about how raw he was and he is a little raw, but i see what he likes in him. He'll only get more comfortable now I think knowing he is the man and doesn't have to press. Playing on the line is kind of like anything else in you have to get in a lock of work in and he'll find his rhythm. Then the game will start to slow down for him. Newton will be fine.
They may have Butler play every 3rd series for a while like they did with D. Brown his rookie year.

Newton most likely will have a few bumps along the road just like D. Brown did, but in the long term, it looks to me like he will be OK.

After rewatching the game several times, I feel quite comfortable with the O-line.

Graham also had a good game blocking.

We did have 240 yards and 24 points in the first half, after all.

The one time we were stopped short on 3rd and 2, it was with Ben Jones at C with the first team late in the half.
He did well overall, but on that play, he and Smith didn't have any push at all on the double-team block (and D. Brown whiffed as well).

Give the kids sometimes, I think that by the end of the year, we won't feel the sting of loosing Brisiel, Winston, and Dreessen (Or at least the sting will lessen).

I think we're good to go.
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They may have Butler play every 3rd series for a while like they did with D. Brown his rookie year.
Kubiak said today he doesn't want to do that with him. He said he's going to hand it to him and let him go with it. Of course it wouldn't be the first time he's been dishonest, but I think he'll only take him out if he's injured of if he's just getting his butt kicked in a game. He's going to roll the pocket so much, protect him and give him help in every way possible that I don't think it'll be as big a factor as most are making out of it.
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I am concerned also.

One thing about great line play is that time playing together can take an average line and make it a good line and a good line to a great line etc.

Hopefully we can put the same 5 guys out there for 16 games and when business time comes I think they'll have things together enough to make things work.
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