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Old 05-25-2005   #1
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I sure hope we get Shelton and lets just for a second assume we do, What will are starting O-line look like?

LT. Shelton
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C. Wand/Wiegart/Mckinney
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I for one like that! IF Carr gets sacked or David cant run behind that they suck.
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It will be the same starting line from last year, even if Shelton is signed.

Shelton is not that good, and Wand is improving.
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It will be the same starting line from last year, even if Shelton is signed.

Shelton is not that good, and Wand is improving.
So your saying a guy that Cards were thinking about trading for Herny ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO START ON ARE LINE! If thats true just send Shelton to Buffalo for Henry if Shelton signs. Either hes the most overrated player EVER or your just flat wrong.
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Texans | Shelton to Visit - from www.KFFL.com
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Adam Schefter, of NFL.com, reports free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) will visit with the Houston Texans later this week. They see Shelton as a left tackle and someone who can protect QB David Carr's blind side.

I doubt we sign him as a backup...
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Also, Wade will definitely be a starter at RT.
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It will be the same starting line from last year, even if Shelton is signed.

Shelton is not that good, and Wand is improving.

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Meanwhile, at Halas Hall, offensive tackle L.J. Shelton passed his physical Tuesday morning, but the Bears will have to wait and see if they can sign him at a reasonable price. Kansas City, Jacksonville and Houston also are interested, and the Texans could plug Shelton into his familiar left tackle role almost immediately. The Bears probably would explore playing Shelton at guard.
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So your saying a guy that Cards were thinking about trading for Herny ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO START ON ARE LINE! If thats true just send Shelton to Buffalo for Henry if Shelton signs. Either hes the most overrated player EVER or your just flat wrong.
Henry for Shelton didn't happen because Buffalo didn't feel like it was equal compensation, not because Arizona thought Shelton was just SOOO great that they would keep him until after the draft then cut him...

If Shelton is signed, he will likely take over for Wand at LT and will likely not be much of an improvement over him...The rest of the OL will stay the same as it was last year...
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i saw of nflfans that Weigert, Walker and Wong were all possible June 1st cuts man i was like i dont think any of them will be gone. The only way wong is gone is if Boulware is coming to town in my opinion.
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Wong and Weigert aren't going anywhere, Walker on the other hand...
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I just hope this dude sees the other organizations and then sees what kind of first rate stuff we have here, hopefully that will convince him.
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I read somewhere he had a season ending knee injury last season or the season before I think, that worries me a little...
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what about todd wade??
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Wade will definately be the starter at RT. As far as the Shelton for Henry deal DRek has it right. Arizona offered Shelton for Henry straight up, but Buffalo didn't feel that was a fair deal. They wanted Shelton and a 2nd Round pick I believe in exchange for Henry. Neither side budged much, and thats why the deal never went through. Its not very often that a team will let go of a young LT that they picked in the 1st Round without getting anything in return in terms of compensation. Obviously there are some questions surrounding Shelton, and Green and the Cardinals were willing to part ways with him. If we do pick him up hopefully he pans out.
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So your saying a guy that Cards were thinking about trading for Herny ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO START ON ARE LINE! If thats true just send Shelton to Buffalo for Henry if Shelton signs. Either hes the most overrated player EVER or your just flat wrong.

The Cards weren't "thinking" about trading Shelton for Travis Henry. They were trying to trade Shelton for Henry. Know what? The Bills weren't falling for it. Shelton's value is so high that Arizona just said "there's the door" and took the hit.

I believe I read that Shelton visited the Bills four times trying to sell that deal and they still wouldn't trade Henry for Shelton straight up.

I can't believe how many people in here think Shelton's going to step in and solve all of our LT problems.

Look at the facts guys. He was taken in the first round in 1999 but the Cardinals dumped him. He's a 7 year veteran and right in the middle of his best years but they dumped him. They tried to trade him for a solid but unspectacular second string running back on a team that needs a LT and couldn't do it. Letting him go eats up 3.3 million in their cap and yet they're fine with that? If I were Rod Graves I'd at least see if I could find someone out there willing to give me a 3rd rounder for him or something. Get a draft pick at least.

Left tackles are in enough demand that I can't imagine this guy could get the Cardinals something in return and yet that's exactly what happened. Anyone who thinks Shelton is anything more than depth here probably thought Gregg Randall was going to be the starting RT for the next 5-6 years.
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The Cards weren't "thinking" about trading Shelton for Travis Henry. They were trying to trade Shelton for Henry. Know what? The Bills weren't falling for it. Shelton's value is so high that Arizona just said "there's the door" and took the hit.
Really? This was posted by Vinny a couple of weeks ago:

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I can't believe how many people in here think Shelton's going to step in and solve all of our LT problems.
I think Shelton will be an improvement over Wand, and we needs lots of improving on our OL.
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I sure hope we get Shelton and lets just for a second assume we do, What will are starting O-line look like?

LT. Shelton
LG. Pitts
C. Wand/Wiegart/Mckinney
RG. Wand/Wiegrat (dont know if i spelled Wiegrat right but)
RT. Riley

I for one like that! IF Carr gets sacked or David cant run behind that they suck.
Wand has experience playing one position, LT. So you have a guy one year off of signing a new contract that got benched beating him out to end up playing one of two positions he has never played, backed up by a guy who has never played the position in one case, etc. So basically our OL is one guy from last year, one guy rejected from his position last year, two guys rejected from their teams period and well heck, who is the 5th guy. Yeah, that should a great OL--
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Really? This was posted by Vinny a couple of weeks ago:

I think Shelton will be an improvement over Wand, and we needs lots of improving on our OL.
Great example of how far the Texans have come. Talk of a trade of two players, neither of whom would upgrade the Texans. Shelton for Henry.
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Great example of how far the Texans have come. Talk of a trade of two players, neither of whom would upgrade the Texans. Shelton for Henry.
Concerning the OL we have come from 76 sacks in year one to 49 sacks in year three. That's great progress to you? Obviously we have improved in other areas, but not significantly enough on the OL. As far as Shelton not being better than Wand, that will be settled later (hopefully).
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Really? This was posted by Vinny a couple of weeks ago:
Yes it was and sure enough the Cardinals took a RB in the 2nd round. So work out for me how Travis Henry wasn't good enough but "nothing" was? Forget this story out of Arizona that Vinny (who's knowledge I absolutely respect by the way) posted because this has no bearing at all when you're looking at why the Cardinals told Shelton to take a hike. Their decision to go with a rookie RB was about dollars, not about their sudden realization that Travis Henry just wasn't worth a player of Shelton's caliber.

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I think Shelton will be an improvement over Wand, and we needs lots of improving on our OL.
I don't think Shelton will be an improvement over Wand and I'm convinced that the line will be nearly unchanged in personnel this year. That I think will improve it.

Wish the season would get here so we could see who's right about this.
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That I think will improve it.
Our sack total should improve just from the simple change to short, quick passes. This change is an obvious effort to protect Carr from the OL's shortcomings.
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