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Old 08-21-2012   #21
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your overall point, but fosters stats don't look as good of he doesn't break that long one against the 9ers second teamers.
True that! But if you look at a lot of the games the past couple of years, like the Steelers last yr, he started slow, maybe a few around 4 or 5, then would break one or two for big gains later in the game... That's how RBs get averages of around 4 yds: some 5yd or so runs mixed with 1s and No-gains then busting 10+ers...never just 4 every carry...

just can't tell either way on the small sample size we have so far, but i'm not cometely discouraged from what i've seen so far...

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No way he is better than OD. OD is a solid blocker and Dreesen is a very good blocker. The difference is in the pass catching. People like to tout his TDs but those were scheme plays and on 4 of his 6 he was simply wide open. Daniels and Foster took most of the coverage letting him squeeze out of the backside for the easy catch. Just sayin.
Dreesen's blocking is better than OD in my opinion. OD in space is just god awful to watch too, especially when Kubes plays that little bubble screen to him. Watching OD try to navigate in space gives me heartburn. He's just not a YAC guy. Dreesen was much more so. Plus look at games missed in the last three years for OD. Plus he's a bigger redzone threat. You'll miss him come mid season.

So to summarize, better blocker, better in space, stays healthy, better redzone threat, and better hands.
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I'd be willing to bet that they thought about Fleener at 26 in the draft, but Mercilus had fallen into their laps.

I could see a TE being taken by the Texans in the 1st 2 days of the draft in '13. But that's only if Casey's not the guy we (and the staff) thought he was/going to be.
I know Kubiak loves his TE's but I think unless you have Vernon Davis sitting there Kubiak is probably not pulling the trigger on a 1st round TE. That's a position that gets drafted in the 4th round or later and we find a "gem". I think Duane Brown is the only offensive player we've taken in the 1st round during the Kubiak regime, and that's probably not about to change unless there is some sort of physical freak available.
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Dreesen's blocking is better than OD in my opinion. OD in space is just god awful to watch too, especially when Kubes plays that little bubble screen to him. Watching OD try to navigate in space gives me heartburn. He's just not a YAC guy. Dreesen was much more so. Plus look at games missed in the last three years for OD. Plus he's a bigger redzone threat. You'll miss him come mid season.

So to summarize, better blocker, better in space, stays healthy, better redzone threat, and better hands.
hmmm...
- Better blocker... no doubt in my mind!
- Better in space...? Not sure about that one. Never seen Dreessen operate much farther than 5-10 yds past the LoS. Never seen Dreessen get open deep between the safeties like O.D. can. ...so don't agree with this one.
- Stays healthy...? Yep.
- Better redzone threat...? The numbers say "yes". BUT... I think that's the play calling as much as his ability to get open. ...so this one is a yes
- Better hands...? I dunno 'bout that; never seen Dreessen have to make a tough catch; at least not of the OMG! types like we've seen Casey make. I have seen O.D. make those in the past. Unfortunately, the last memory of O.D. we have is that drop in last Saturday's 'Frisco game. I thought he should have had that, but I ain't sure Dreessen would have caught it either. ...so I'm going "no" on this one.

The main thing I miss from Dreessen is the blocking. He was almost as good a run blocker as Winston, IMHO.
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your overall point, but fosters stats don't look as good of he doesn't break that long one against the 9ers second teamers.
They had a mix of 1s and 2s in there toward the end of the half.

On the other hand, we played our young guys more in the absence of Cody and Watt.
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Its preseason. Just becuase you excel in preseason does not mean you will excel in the regular season. Remember that year Detroit went 0-16, well they were 4-0 in the preseason. Last year SF looked like a mess in the preseason yet still managed to get within a hair of the Superbowl.

Let's see what happens against Miami before we start getting antsy.
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I think we miss Dreesen, dude could block and make clutch catches. I would like to see the Texans go after a TE early in the draft next year.
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I think we miss Dreesen, dude could block and make clutch catches. I would like to see the Texans go after a TE early in the draft next year.
Maybe look in a lower round for a good FB, and move Casey to TE full time.
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Of course we are missing Joel. Also Winston and Breisel.

A team doesn't just take three offensive line players who started side-by-side on the most productive run offense in the league, replace them with three benchwarmers, and not feel the effect.

Our running game is going to suffer, and we are already seeing early signs of it.
You know, the Denver running game has always been described as plug & play. Most people think of the running back, but it was also true for the OL. For most of Kubiak's tenure in Denver, most of their OLmen were unknowns....i.e. Chris Myers. They developed those guys for their system & had that next man up mentality.
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If Pee Man stays healthy, I think Dreesen is going to put up Dallas Clark numbers.
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If Pee Man stays healthy, I think Dreesen is going to put up Dallas Clark numbers.
Indeed, I definitely can see a 50 catch season from Dreesen with the way Manning orchestrates his offense.
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I know Kubiak loves his TE's but I think unless you have Vernon Davis sitting there Kubiak is probably not pulling the trigger on a 1st round TE. That's a position that gets drafted in the 4th round or later and we find a "gem". I think Duane Brown is the only offensive player we've taken in the 1st round during the Kubiak regime, and that's probably not about to change unless there is some sort of physical freak available.
Watch some Notre Dame football this upcoming season.

Tyler Eifert, about 6'5-6'6, some 250 lbs.
A combination of size, speed, leaping ability, good hands, and toughness.

This guy probably goes in the first or second round.
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Watch some Notre Dame football this upcoming season.

Tyler Eifert, about 6'5-6'6, some 250 lbs.
A combination of size, speed, leaping ability, good hands, and toughness.

This guy probably goes in the first or second round.
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I know Kubiak loves his TE's but I think unless you have Vernon Davis sitting there Kubiak is probably not pulling the trigger on a 1st round TE. That's a position that gets drafted in the 4th round or later and we find a "gem". I think Duane Brown is the only offensive player we've taken in the 1st round during the Kubiak regime, and that's probably not about to change unless there is some sort of physical freak available.
Now that we've got a competent defense & DC, I think we may see an offensive pick in the 1st round.

Not that we'll definitely pick on an offensive player, but I would think the value of offensive players has caught up to the value of defensive players. Remember, until recently we'd field a top 10 offense & a last place defense.
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Old thread, dug it up searching our board for Tyler Eifert. What do y'all think about possibly drafting him in the first?





Now that we've got a competent defense & DC, I think we may see an offensive pick in the 1st round.

Not that we'll definitely pick on an offensive player, but I would think the value of offensive players has caught up to the value of defensive players. Remember, until recently we'd field a top 10 offense & a last place defense.

Do you think Owen Daniels may be a cap casualty? All i do know is our offense has to be retooled. I love AJ as much as anyone but it irritates me when he's the only one making plays for us. Seems like he was the only one who showed up a good portion of the season. If Eifert could be that guy to alleviate the pressure from AJ I'd be all for it.
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Do you think Owen Daniels may be a cap casualty? All i do know is our offense has to be retooled. I love AJ as much as anyone but it irritates me when he's the only one making plays for us. Seems like he was the only one who showed up a good portion of the season. If Eifert could be that guy to alleviate the pressure from AJ I'd be all for it.
I don't think OD will be a casualty, I'm thinking of burying Graham further down the roster.

I'm looking for a Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronkosky kind of guy.
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I don't think OD will be a casualty, I'm thinking of burying Graham further down the roster.

I'm looking for a Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronkosky kind of guy.
Man, TK, your singing my song! I've been wanting the Texans to get this type of TE since last year's draft (Fleener). I'm just not sure the Texans will do it. My guess is they go for a WR or ILB in the 1st. This is a pretty good class for the bigger TE's and they could look at someone like Williams (6'6" 270) in the mid rounds who would be a good blocking TE but also has some good hands and was underutilized by Bama IMO.
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Old thread, dug it up searching our board for Tyler Eifert. What do y'all think about possibly drafting him in the first?





Now that we've got a competent defense & DC, I think we may see an offensive pick in the 1st round.

Not that we'll definitely pick on an offensive player, but I would think the value of offensive players has caught up to the value of defensive players. Remember, until recently we'd field a top 10 offense & a last place defense.
Check this interview with McNair after he came back from the Super Bowl. At about the 6:30 - 7 minute mark McNair talks about the draft. First thing out of his mouth is "do we need more defense" to stop the dink & dunk offenses of N. E. and others.

He said "we're in good shape at RB" [okay Bob, I'll give you that one] and we're in good shape at QB [depends on which fan you ask, Bob], and we're in good shape at TE..." ummm.... look closer Bob.

He did say we need more speed at WR.... I guess that's something. Doesn't sound like he's gonna make that a rd 1-3 pick though.
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