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Old 08-25-2012   #61
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Default Re: Randy Bullock vs Shayne Graham

bullock has missed 1 kick, graham hasnt missed anything, if graham misses a 50 yarder next week does your opinion change..

bullock has been considered automatic from certain distances, i'll take bullocks consistency over an inconsistent big leg. his miss was just right, it had plenty of distance, i think he can straighten that out.. weve seen graham miss a couple sure FGs in the playoffs before..
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bullock has missed 1 kick, graham hasnt missed anything, if graham misses a 50 yarder next week does your opinion of change..

bullock has been considered automatic from certain distances, i'll take bullocks consistency over an inconsistent big leg. his miss was just right, it had plenty of distance, i think he can straighten that out.. weve seen graham miss a couple sure FGs in the playoffs before..
Has Graham really been known to be inconsistent though? I don't know the stats but I only remember Graham having one bad year his whole career and he was never known for a big leg. Bullock was inconsistent in his early years at Aggie Land. I wouldn't hold that against him either. Its a tough choice and one I wouldn't wanna make. I personally just trust trust the vet more at this point.
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Default Re: Randy Bullock vs Shayne Graham

Im leaning Graham ....That 53 yarder put him in front but there is one game left.

Ive said it before - Both have trouble getting depth on kickoffs .... its driving me nuts.
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Has Graham really been known to be inconsistent though? I don't know the stats but I only remember Graham having one bad year his whole career and he was never known for a big leg. Bullock was inconsistent in his early years at Aggie Land. I wouldn't hold that against him either. Its a tough choice and one I wouldn't wanna make. I personally just trust trust the vet more at this point.
Same here. If the Texans have Super Bowl aspirations, then they should go with the better kicker instead of the guy who they used a 5th round draft pick. It may seem like a waste of a pick if they cut Bullock, but if they believe Graham is the best play then keep him. Maybe Bullock can go on the practice squad.
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Im leaning Graham ....That 53 yarder put him in front but there is one game left.

Ive said it before - Both have trouble getting depth on kickoffs .... its driving me nuts.
This. I was upset with Bullock about not having any distance on his kickoffs, then Graham came in an reminded me he doesn't either.
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Default Re: Randy Bullock vs Shayne Graham

Actually I'm surprised by Bullock's lack of depth on his kickoffs. I was at the Aggie-T.Tech game last year and he not only was putting his kickoffs in the stands he kicked one thru the uprights which I can't remember ever seeing before. So when the Texans drafted the kid, my opinion was he had the strongest leg in college last year.

I'm almost of the opinion that they're doing it on purpose to practice their kickoff return defense. Although I do also agree with whomever stated when Hartmann comes back it won't be an issue any longer anyways.
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Graham is 34. I'm tired of looking for a kicker every season. Bullock has missed only 1 kick, and it was over 50 yards. Bullock gives us the ability to quit spending time on kicking competitions in the future. If we go graham we will probably spend another pick on another kicker in the future. I'm going bullock unless he gets hurt
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Bullock gives us the ability to quit spending time on kicking competitions in the future. If we go graham we will probably spend another pick on another kicker in the future.
Wouldn't it be better for the team if there was competition at every position? And what does it matter if the Texans spend or don't spend a pick on a kicker? A late round pick is no lock, no matter what the position.

The Texans should take the kicker who is best, right now. It's a very important position on the team and the criteria for winning the job can't be determined on draft status.
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Wouldn't it be better for the team if there was competition at every position? And what does it matter if the Texans spend or don't spend a pick on a kicker? A late round pick is no lock, no matter what the position.

The Texans should take the kicker who is best, right now. It's a very important position on the team and the criteria for winning the job can't be determined on draft status.
Do you think the Patriots spend time and draft picks on kickers? Gostkowski was the guy and is.

I'd rather not have competition every preseason. I'd rather have a guy lock it down beyond concern. There is no competition for WR1 on our team. I'd like it to be the same for kicker
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For those who watched A&M games last year, did Bullock have a weak leg on kickoffs as an Aggie?
From the Aggies 2011 stats page:

96 kickoffs (usually from the 35, but could change due to penalty)
61 returns (doesn't indicate if some were onsides attempts)
32 touchbacks
3 out of bounds

From this data, I would say that Bullock didn't consistently get the ball deep in the end zone from the 35. And in the NFL, they kickoff 5 yards deeper.
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Like what was said earlier, Hartman will be doing the kickoffs, so I think they can survive for three games with Bullock as the kicker.
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From the Aggies 2011 stats page:

96 kickoffs (usually from the 35, but could change due to penalty)
61 returns (doesn't indicate if some were onsides attempts)
32 touchbacks
3 out of bounds

From this data, I would say that Bullock didn't consistently get the ball deep in the end zone from the 35. And in the NFL, they kickoff 5 yards deeper.
Bullock tends to kick low and more line drive type of kicks. Even with a strong leg, this lessens the potential distance .....and the time for coverage.
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Wouldn't it be better for the team if there was competition at every position? And what does it matter if the Texans spend or don't spend a pick on a kicker? A late round pick is no lock, no matter what the position.

The Texans should take the kicker who is best, right now. It's a very important position on the team and the criteria for winning the job can't be determined on draft status.
If the Texans truly think that Bullock and Graham are just a little bit a part, but that Bullock still has room to grow then we might still see Bullock win. some people take a simple well the draft choice won because he is the draft choice, but there was to be some projection of future value considered.
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Graham's leg is 8 to 10 yards stronger than Bullock's. Graham has outperformed Bullock. I guess the one thing we haven't seen is which one does a better job of getting in the way of a kick return touchdown run. If they keep Bullock over Graham it's because Kubiak is a Aggie homer. Those sort of decisions of the heart tend to hurt at some point.
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At this stage of kubiak's career, I never understand the reasoning behind "Kubiak will keep the player just because he is an aggie". If Kubiak just started coaching the texans after a career of coaching a&m then yes I could see him picking up ex-players, but with 7 years with the Texans, nope no way
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At this stage of kubiak's career, I never understand the reasoning behind "Kubiak will keep the player just because he is an aggie". If Kubiak just started coaching the texans after a career of coaching a&m then yes I could see him picking up ex-players, but with 7 years with the Texans, nope no way
True, but it could be a reason why he drafted Bullock over Zierlien, who has the stronger leg. Granted, both kickers were pretty even in college, but Z has the stronger leg. Has hit on a 52 and two 55 yard field goals so far this preseason. Four touchbacks also. Bullock will be accurate, but I don't know if 50+ yard field goals are going to work for us.
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I think this competition was decided before it even started. Anyone else notice that Bullock has kicked every PAT so far? It seems to me if Graham were really being considered, he'd get some game time with his holder kicking PAT's. While they're considered gimme's, it still requires a little synchronization.
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I think this competition was decided before it even started. Anyone else notice that Bullock has kicked every PAT so far? It seems to me if Graham were really being considered, he'd get some game time with his holder kicking PAT's. While they're considered gimme's, it still requires a little synchronization.
So who do you think gets the job?
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So who do you think gets the job?
Well, I was thinking Bullock, but I just read that he went on IR. So, it would appear Graham gets it by default.
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Graham's leg is 8 to 10 yards stronger than Bullock's. Graham has outperformed Bullock. I guess the one thing we haven't seen is which one does a better job of getting in the way of a kick return touchdown run. If they keep Bullock over Graham it's because Kubiak is a Aggie homer. Those sort of decisions of the heart tend to hurt at some point.
No, if they keep Bullock its because he is young, cheap and full of potential. Right now they are toe to toe - Bullock missed a 52 yarder, Graham hasn`t so judging from the preseason Graham has the upper hand. I have no idea how they compare in practice.

But they know what Graham can do from his long career - and they have a feeling what Bullock can do based of his college career. A couple of kicks in preseason probably won`t be the deciding factor. They`ll keep Bullock unless they are seeing something now that they don`t like and didn`t see before, when they draftet him.

I think the main reason for drafting a kicker is to be set for the future at the position. You can always snatch a veteran from the waver wire and be ok. But a drafted rookie gives you a kicker for the future that starts out cheap.
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