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Old 09-04-2012   #101
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Someone help me out here; just what is the penalty for being over the cap, exactly????
Commissioner shall be authorized to:
(i) impose a fine of up to $6,500,000, payable to the NFL, upon any Club found to have committed such violation;
(ii) order the forfeiture of up to a maximum of two draft choices (without limitation as to round) by the Club found to have committed such violation;
(iii) impose a fine of up to $500,000 on any Club executive or other Club per- sonnel found to have committed such violation; and/or
(iv) suspend for up to one year any Club executive or other Club personnel found to have committed such violation.

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The problem is: we have too many good players... is Barwin expendable? Not really, but IŽd say he is more expendable than Cushing or Schaub. With a team this stacked, we`ll have several hurtful offseasons ahead of us.

The solution? Getting draft picks for those players. NE has been doing that for years - rookie contracts are what you want - and only keep the most important veterans. I guess that was one of the big reasons for drafting Mercilus.

So I could very well see us losing Barwin, Smith and Tate next off season... ouch.
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Besides going to the cap exemption (where we right off the bat go into debt for $700,000 towards next year's cap) to get under the cap, there can be a renegotation of someone's contract, a trade or a release of a player by the Texans. We'll find out by some time tomorrow. For sure the deadline will not pass with the Texans remaining over the cap.
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This is somewhat contradictory to the last Texans cap status tweeted report. The Cody White signing would certainly not have made the difference.

According to this report, the Texans are at $2.3 million below the cap as of yesterday......not $700,000 over?

Team-by-team cap space as of September 3
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Numbers based on 51 (now) vs 53 man roster (tomorrow) may explain the discrpancy.

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Numbers based on 51 (now) vs 53 man roster (tomorrow) may explain the discrpancy.

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The two contracts that get added should be 390k a piece, so subtract another 780k from that cap number and we should be around 1.52 million in space.
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The two contracts that get added should be 390k a piece, so subtract another 780k from that cap number and we should be around 1.52 million in space.
We've also got three guys on IR, plus one on PUP and they count in addition to the 53.
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The two contracts that get added should be 390k a piece, so subtract another 780k from that cap number and we should be around 1.52 million in space.
Have the IR'd players all been accounted for before now?
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Have the IR'd players all been accounted for before now?
They'd taken the top 51, so it definitely included Rashad Butler. Where Bullock and Fox fit in, I'm not sure.

Essentially, when the deadline comes and goes this afternoon, we'll be adding 6 salaries, all presumably making the minimum, to the 51 they've been counting up until then.

Additionally, anybody they add to IR down the road will have to be replaced on the 53 man roster, so we'll need to make room to add when that happens.

Down the road, if Sharpton's able to be added to the 53 man roster, that will actually create a small amount of space by reducing the number of folks who count against the cap (unless the roster cut that makes room for him is a vested veteran who was on the roster for the opening game - in which case his salary will be guaranteed and continue to count against the cap).
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We've also got three guys on IR, plus one on PUP and they count in addition to the 53.
The top 51 contracts should have already included Butler's contract. 1.3 million salary easily puts him in the top 20.

It's possible that Keyaron Fox's deal was also top 51 because he's a 9 year vet, and counts 540k against the cap. I'm not sure how many of those vet minimum deals we have on the list.

Bullock apparently only makes 390k this year, but he has a 44k signing bonus caphit each year according to Sportrac. He probably isn't included in the top 51 already, so that would add another 390k to the heap (assuming the 44k was already accounted for).
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The top 51 contracts should have already included Butler's contract. 1.3 million salary easily puts him in the top 20.

It's possible that Keyaron Fox's deal was also top 51 because he's a 9 year vet, and counts 540k against the cap. I'm not sure how many of those vet minimum deals we have on the list.

Bullock apparently only makes 390k this year, but he has a 44k signing bonus caphit each year according to Sportrac. He probably isn't included in the top 51 already, so that would add another 390k to the heap (assuming the 44k was already accounted for).
The point is we'll be going from 51 to 57 since the cap covers the 53 man roster, IR (3 guys), and PUP (1 guy).

Six added salaries, all presumably at the minimum.
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Someone help me out here; just what is the penalty for being over the cap, exactly????
For every $10,000 you're over, they kill a kitten.
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For every $10,000 you're over, they kill a kitten.
well that's not so bad...

....but I'm not a cat person either
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I'm all for keeping as many vets as possible IF they meet cap criteria. Not saying I want to put us in cap hell next season but by 2013 we shoud know even more about our younger guys and where we can cut vets. We are going to lose some good players next 2-3 seasons but that is the mark of a good team.
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