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Old 08-17-2012   #81
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Alex Gibbs deserves credit for delivering 13 years of solid play at the left tackle position. Brown seemed like a gamble, but Gibbs evaluated him perfectly.
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Duane Brown is a Texan because he wants to be here & truely believes his team is on the cusp of an extended Super Bowl run. He is a respected community citizen, loves Houston & everything it offers as well friendly Texas tax rates. When you weigh it all out this was a no brainier for all sides involved

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How come Brown only gets 22 M guaranteed when Mario gets 50 M, and
Duane is more important to us than Mario ever was ? I don't get it ?
A premium pass rusher seems to be worth more, and the Bills were willing to go full special and hand over that much cash.
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How come Brown only gets 22 M guaranteed when Mario gets 50 M, and
Duane is more important to us than Mario ever was ? I don't get it ?
I'm not quite sure on that, but the Bills had a lot of money to spend this year and they wanted to make a big splash. Their pass-rush was really bad last year, so I guess they were willing to pay a premium for "the best pass rusher in the league!" (lol...) I dunno if they truly believe Mario is that, but they sure did pay him like it.

Maybe Brown isn't thought of as well as we think he is. Maybe he is considered a second tier LT and this was the best he could get, but I doubt that. In any case, it's a good deal for both sides and it will make it easier for the Texans to retain Schaub. Most importantly, they just freed up the franchise tag for next offseason.
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How come Brown only gets 22 M guaranteed when Mario gets 50 M, and
Duane is more important to us than Mario ever was ? I don't get it ?

Umm, we didn't sign Mario, he was a free agent and had more than one team bidding.

Brown was resigned before he had a chance to hit the open market.
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I'm not quite sure on that, but the Bills had a lot of money to spend this year and they wanted to make a big splash. Their pass-rush was really bad last year, so I guess they were willing to pay a premium for "the best pass rusher in the league!" (lol...) I dunno if they truly believe Mario is that, but they sure did pay him like it.

Maybe Brown isn't thought of as well as we think he is. Maybe he is considered a second tier LT and this was the best he could get, but I doubt that. In any case, it's a good deal for both sides and it will make it easier for the Texans to retain Schaub. Most importantly, they just freed up the franchise tag for next offseason.
Two more factors I'd throw in (The second one indirectly touches on your point about how highly Brown is thought of).

1. Mario's been a big name in the league ever since the national uproar that resulted from the Texans picking him #1 overall instead of Bush. He's been a frequent subject of national attention since then - mostly in a positive fashion. Correctly or not, he's more highly thought of outside Houston than inside. He plays a sexy stat driven position that when played well and effectively receives a lot of attention from the game announcers. None of those things apply to Duane Brown. Mario will sell tickets - Duane Brown won't

2. Mario's been to two Pro Bowls, he's been Sporting News All Pro twice and AP All Pro (second team) once. Duane's been to no Pro Bowls, and to this point, the only post-season honor he's received is second team AP All Pro. It may not be fair, and in my opinion it doesn't reflect reality, but from a league standpoint, Mario's simply got a stronger resume.
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Two more factors I'd throw in (The second one indirectly touches on your point about how highly Brown is thought of).

1. Mario's been a big name in the league ever since the national uproar that resulted from the Texans picking him #1 overall instead of Bush. He's been a frequent subject of national attention since then - mostly in a positive fashion. Correctly or not, he's more highly thought of outside Houston than inside. He plays a sexy stat driven position that when played well and effectively receives a lot of attention from the game announcers. None of those things apply to Duane Brown. Mario will sell tickets - Duane Brown won't

2. Mario's been to two Pro Bowls, he's been Sporting News All Pro twice and AP All Pro (second team) once. Duane's been to no Pro Bowls, and to this point, the only post-season honor he's received is second team AP All Pro. It may not be fair, and in my opinion it doesn't reflect reality, but from a league standpoint, Mario's simply got a stronger resume.
Both good points. To expound on the first one I think the shock of the pick over two sure fire future hall of famers who have since flamed out has raised awareness of Mario. It's funny their failures still get reported on more but virtually every time they mention Mario as a success. Heck by reports may get cut from even being backup QB. In six years the next Gayle Sayers hasn't matched Domanick Davis' 3 year rushing total.

It has also become very popular around here to downplay Mario. If we looked back at the threads most people thought he was robbed not getting in the pro-bowl the year before he did which would make three pro-bowl seasons. He was a pro-bowl level player.
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It has also become very popular around here to downplay Mario. If we looked back at the threads most people thought he was robbed not getting in the pro-bowl the year before he did which would make three pro-bowl seasons. He was a pro-bowl level player.
Yep, and the thing about Mario and to some degree Cushing, is they were good players on bad defenses. The scheme sucked for most of the time those guys were in Texan uniforms yet they still found a way to shine.

That just goes to show the type if talent they have IMO. I really wish Mario could have been healthy all year last season for our benefit. He'd have still left this off season most likely, but he was having a string year.
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A premium pass rusher seems to be worth more, and the Bills were willing to go full special and hand over that much cash.
I think generally speaking a premium LT is as valuable as a premium pass-rusher, OK. However I can see how Duane might not get quite as much as Mario, but not this deep of a discount ? Duane's guaranteed money is less than 50% of Mario's ? Duane and Mario are both about the same age, while Duane clearly has been more durable. Something dosen't add up here ?
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I think generally speaking a premium LT is as valuable as a premium pass-rusher, OK. However I can see how Duane might not get quite as much as Mario, but not this deep of a discount ? Duane's guaranteed money is less than 50% of Mario's ? Duane and Mario are both about the same age, while Duane clearly has been more durable. Something dosen't add up here ?
Simple, In the broad NFL market OLT tackles are not quite paid to the level elite pass rusher are. The other factor is that Mario went to the open market and Brown did not. I am guessing that Brown gets more guaranteed if plays well again and goes free agent. that's why you sign now instead of later.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/

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There is the risk reward factor in re-signing before a deal is up. You maximize your value if you wait until you hit the open market, but run the risk of injury that would jeopardize your big payday. Signing earlier for a bit less helps mitigate that potential damage. It worked out well for Domanick Davis.
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Yep, and the thing about Mario and to some degree Cushing, is they were good players on bad defenses. The scheme sucked for most of the time those guys were in Texan uniforms yet they still found a way to shine.

That just goes to show the type if talent they have IMO. I really wish Mario could have been healthy all year last season for our benefit. He'd have still left this off season most likely, but he was having a string year.
Yeah, Mario was gone regardless of how much or how well he played, the Texans couldn't have given him a competitive deal anyways. If he had remained healthy, he could have kept Barwin from exploding and getting on the entire league's radar. Aside from finally seeing Mario excel in a great defense, it would have been nice for him to temper Barwin's production and reduce his asking price in 2013. Oh well, can't win 'em all.
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Yeah, Mario was gone regardless of how much or how well he played, the Texans couldn't have given him a competitive deal anyways. If he had remained healthy, he could have kept Barwin from exploding and getting on the entire league's radar. Aside from finally seeing Mario excel in a great defense, it would have been nice for him to temper Barwin's production and reduce his asking price in 2013. Oh well, can't win 'em all.
Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.
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Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.
I thought Mario said they never made him an offer...??
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I thought Mario said they never made him an offer...??
He also said he wanted to stay in Houston.
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Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.
What, like 8 million a year? The money we gave Foster? Cause anything more than that might have cost us Meyers too. I don't think they made an offer, and even if they did, they had to know that he was going to get upwards of 80 million over 6 years.
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Thats not completely true .... They made him a reasonable offer tho less than the brinks truck Buffalo ended up giving him , it was reasonable for the position.
Where did you get this from? I remember all of us making a big deal out of Mario saying on Twitter that the Texans never made him an offer.
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Where did you get this from? I remember all of us making a big deal out of Mario saying on Twitter that the Texans never made him an offer.
I wish I could say I pulled it out of my ass .... but thats not true. I wish I hadnt made the post ....

Maybe John McLain could offer a better answer.
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Mario did say that the Texans did not make him an offer.
Folks play a lot of word games with this stuff. The team may verbally say how about 6 years $80 with this kind of structure but not put it in writing. Then the player goes out and says he never received an offer.
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