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Old 08-15-2012   #41
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Offense (25)
QB – Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, John Beck
RB – Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Justin Forsett
FB – James Casey, Moran Norris
TE – Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham
T – Duane Brown, Rashad Butler, Derek Newton
G – Wade Smith, Antoine Caldwell, Brandon Brooks, Shelley Smith
C – Chris Myers, Ben Jones
WR – Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Keshawn Martin, Lestar Jean, DeVier Posey, Trindon Holliday

Defense (25)
DE – Antonio Smith, JJ Watt, Tim Jamison, Jared Crick
NT – Shaun Cody, Earl Mitchell, Ra’Shon Harris
OLB – Conner Barwin, Brooks Reed, Whitney Mercilus, Bryan Braman
ILB – Brian Cushing, Bradie James, Tim Dobbins, Mister Alexander
CB – Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain, Brandon Harris, Roc Carmichael
S – Danieal Manning, Glover Quin, Quintin Demps, Troy Nolan, Shiloh Keo

Special Teams (3)
LS – Jon Weeks
K – Randy Bullock
P – Dahnte Jones
I think the undernoted strength of this team is how athletic they’ll be on special teams.

PUP List – Brett Hartmann, Darryl Sharpton (takes Keo’s spot upon return)
IR Stash – TBD

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Case Keenum
Jonathan Grimes
Logan Brock
Nick Mondek
Jeff Maehl
Shawn Loiseau
Torri Williams
Hebron Fangupo
Good predictions,

I could see Fangupo beating out Harris

Loiseau > Dobbins or Alexander

Torri Williams > Keo

Gardner on PS
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Don't care except for that the old #12 isn't on it!
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Reading the notes from today's presser, I think it's a lock Kubiak hangs on to Keenum. He's very high on the kid.
I think he will be ahead of Beck by the end of camp ... whether that translates to making the final 53 or landing on the PS remains to be seen.
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Offense - 24
QB Schaub, Yates
RB Foster, Tate, Forsett
FB Norris
TE Daniels, Casey, Graham, Brock
T Brown, Butler, Newton
G W.Smith, Caldwell, Brooks, S.Smith
C Myers, Jones
WR Johnson, Walter, Martin, Posey , Jean

Defense - 25
DE Smith, Watt, Jamison, Crick
NT Cody, Mitchell, Fangupo
OLB Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, Braman
ILB Cushing, James, Dobbins, Alexander
CB Joseph, Jackson, McCain, Harris, Carmichael
S Manning, Quin, Demps, Nolan, Pleasant

Special Teams - 4
LS Weeks
K Bullock
P Jones
PR/KR - Holliday


PUP List Hartmann, Sharpton
IR Stash

Practice Squad
Keenum
Grimes
Mondek
Loiseau
Williams
Harris
Jackson (wr)
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Nothing really mind blowing here. Texans only keep 2 QB's. Holliday is cut. Fangupo proves he belongs.

QB Matt Schaub/T.J. Yates
RB Arian Foster/Ben Tate/Justin Forsett
FB James Casey/Moran Norris
WR1 Andre Johnson/Keshawn Martin/Lestar Jean
WR2 Kevin Walter/Bryant Johnson/DeVier Posey
TE Owen Daniels/Garrett Graham
LT Duane Brown
LG Wade Smith/Kasey Studdard
OC Chris Myers/Ben Jones
RG Antoine Caldwell/Brandon Brooks
RT Rashad Butler/Derek newton



DE J.J. Watt/Tim Jamison
DT Shaun Cody/Earl Mitchell/Hebron Fangupo
DE Antonio Smith/Jared Crick
MOLB Brooks Reed/Bryan Braman
ILB Brian Cushing/Mister Alexander
ILB Bradie James/Tim Dobbins
WOLB Connor Barwin/Whitney Mercilus
LCB Kareem Jackson/Alan Ball/Sherrick McManis
RCB Johnathan Joseph /Brice McCain/Brandon Harris
FS Deanieal Manning/Quintin Demps
SS Glover Quinn/Troy Nolan/Shiloh Keo

LS Jonathan Weeks
PK Randy Bullock
P Donnie Jones


Practice Squad:
1.) S Eddie Pleasant
2.) WR Jeff Maehl
3.) RB Jonathan Grimes
4.) CB Roc Carmichael
5.) LB Shawn Louiseau
6.) DB Torri Williams
7.) OT Nick Mondek
8.) OG Shelley Smith


Reserve/PUP - Brett Hartmann/Darryl Sharpton
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I don't understand putting Ball on the roster. I get that he's a Wade guy, but he was awful in that last game...

Maybe he turns it around, but I'm more willing to give a spot to an unknown like Carmichael than to a guy I know will be roasted like Ball...

I can understand CB's being beat..That's going to happen...

But Ball looked ridiculous, crazy, silly, sloppy all rolled into one...Bad position, not looking for the ball...

He looked like someone they just grabbed from outside of the stadium and said cover these guys...
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I don't understand putting Ball on the roster. I get that he's a Wade guy, but he was awful in that last game...

Maybe he turns it around, but I'm more willing to give a spot to an unknown like Carmichael than to a guy I know will be roasted like Ball...

I can understand CB's being beat..That's going to happen...

But Ball looked ridiculous, crazy, silly, sloppy all rolled into one...Bad position, not looking for the ball...

He looked like someone they just grabbed from outside of the stadium and said cover these guys...
I have Ball getting a visit from "The Turk" ..... along with Keo.


Ball reminded me too much of Petey Faggins and P-Burnt .... they would have decent enough position on the ball but never got their heads around to make a play.
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Nothing really mind blowing here. Texans only keep 2 QB's. Holliday is cut. Fangupo proves he belongs.
So Keenum doesn't even make the PS? Please explain.
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So Keenum doesn't even make the PS? Please explain.
That would be laughable .... TJ Yates isnt going to be running the scout team.

One or both happens - Beck makes the final 53 and Keenum makes the PS (or final 53). They will have more than just Yates / Schaub in house at QB.
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Zero chance that we hold only 2 QB's after last year. ZERO..

Isn't there some new rule about keeping an extra player if that player is a QB?

Why wouldn't we take advange of that?

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Isn't there some new rule about keeping an extra player if that player is a QB?
No. Lots of people get this confused.

In the old days (prior to last year), you could dress 45 guys. You were allowed a 46th guy if that was an emergency QB. If the emergency QB played before the 4th quarter, your other QBs couldn't come back on to the field that game in any position.

Last year, they changed the rules so you could just dress 46 guys. The Emergency QB rules were removed.

This is a link to explain it.

If you want to dress 3 QBs, you have to dress 3 QBs BUT if you want to use that 46th spot for a position other than QB, you can. AND if you have 3 QBs and the 3rd QB plays, you can bring the #1 or #2 guy back if you want and play them.

So things simplified, they didn't get more complicated.
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Just found the rule text as well..


>From its 53-man total roster, an NFL team may designate a maximum of 45 players as "active" for each game. With one exception, known as the "third quarterback" rule, active players are the only ones allowed to dress in uniform for games and play in them. A team can activate fewer than 45 players, but according to the labor contract, it must have at least 42 active at all times.

Makes sense that you keep a third QB since it has no impact on the number of players you can actually put out on the field for a game..

Keenum seems like a much better emergency QB than Beck given his better mobility and potential down the road. As I've said before, everyone has already seen Beck in live action -- and that's why he's bounced around from team to team without sticking..

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Just found the rule text as well..


>From its 53-man total roster, an NFL team may designate a maximum of 45 players as "active" for each game. With one exception, known as the "third quarterback" rule, active players are the only ones allowed to dress in uniform for games and play in them. A team can activate fewer than 45 players, but according to the labor contract, it must have at least 42 active at all times.

Makes sense that you keep a third QB since it has no impact on the number of players you can actually put out on the field for a game..

Keenum seems like a much better emergency QB than Beck given his better mobility and potential down the road. As I've said before, everyone has already seen Beck in live action -- and that's why he's bounced around from team to team without sticking..

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Yeah... but... see... that Emergency QB rule went into effect in 1991. Last year, they ditched it. It no longer applies. There is no more Emergency QB.

Now, a team can just dress 46 players and can dress whatever 46 players they want.
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I don't agree with that. I think udfa and late round qb's are among the least likely to get poached off of practice squads.

Not too many teams are going to take an undrafted qb they have to put on their 53 man roster that has not spent any time in their system and doesn't know anything about their playbook.
The Redskins have two rookie QB on their roster: RG III and Kirk Cousins.

If one of them gets injured, what's the difference in replacing them with Keenum in term of experience in the system?
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Yeah... but... see... that Emergency QB rule went into effect in 1991. Last year, they ditched it. It no longer applies. There is no more Emergency QB.

Now, a team can just dress 46 players and can dress whatever 46 players they want.
So basically the Texans could utilize that extra player by making it the 3rd QB.

If you're accustomed to only having 45, then the league gives you an extra guy to dress out however you wish...then why not use it on the extra QB? We were already carrying three RBs anyways, IIRC, so that extra spot could go to a 3rd QB.

I wonder if Kubiak still has nightmares of that Jaguars game (in Jax) last year when Leinart gets drilled into the turf and then Yates comes out and starts moving all around and Kubiak finally remembers that the next QB available on the roster is...Owen Daniels. So he shuts Yates down and basically runs the ball the rest of the game. I wonder if he learned anything from that.

If he doesn't carry a 3rd QB, based on prior experience in 2011, he's asking for trouble. And I don't care if it's Case or Beck or Garcia or Delhomme. But we better have enough QBs on game day, especially with Schaub coming off a bad foot injury. What's Kubiak going to do? Start only two QBs and then have nobody behind Yates if Schaub exits the game early??? Bad planning, IMO.
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So basically the Texans could utilize that extra player by making it the 3rd QB.

If you're accustomed to only having 45, then the league gives you an extra guy to dress out however you wish...then why not use it on the extra QB? We were already carrying three RBs anyways, IIRC, so that extra spot could go to a 3rd QB.

I wonder if Kubiak still has nightmares of that Jaguars game (in Jax) last year when Leinart gets drilled into the turf and then Yates comes out and starts moving all around and Kubiak finally remembers that the next QB available on the roster is...Owen Daniels. So he shuts Yates down and basically runs the ball the rest of the game. I wonder if he learned anything from that.

If he doesn't carry a 3rd QB, based on prior experience in 2011, he's asking for trouble. And I don't care if it's Case or Beck or Garcia or Delhomme. But we better have enough QBs on game day, especially with Schaub coming off a bad foot injury. What's Kubiak going to do? Start only two QBs and then have nobody behind Yates if Schaub exits the game early??? Bad planning, IMO.
Yeah. A lot of teams are using that 46th spot for another position than QB and then only carrying 2 active QBs on game day. Hell, there have been times when we've only had 2 QBs on our roster and there are plenty of guys here predicting we'll only have Schaub and Yates as part of the 53.

As we saw in that Jag game last year, that's a dangerous game of Russian roulette right there.

Unless Case plays lights out in the next game and the last game, I expect him to go to the PS and Beck to go onto the 53. Beck knows enough of the offense to go into shutdown, game-manager mode if there are injuries to Schaub and Yates and then we can pull Case up from the PS for the next game if we need him.

The only other option I see is for Case to just out-play Beck and make the 53. Then we have to hope Beck is still keeping in shape and sitting on his couch if there are injuries.
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Yeah. A lot of teams are using that 46th spot for another position than QB and then only carrying 2 active QBs on game day. Hell, there have been times when we've only had 2 QBs on our roster and there are plenty of guys here predicting we'll only have Schaub and Yates as part of the 53.

As we saw in that Jag game last year, that's a dangerous game of Russian roulette right there.

Unless Case plays lights out in the next game and the last game, I expect him to go to the PS and Beck to go onto the 53. Beck knows enough of the offense to go into shutdown, game-manager mode if there are injuries to Schaub and Yates and then we can pull Case up from the PS for the next game if we need him.

The only other option I see is for Case to just out-play Beck and make the 53. Then we have to hope Beck is still keeping in shape and sitting on his couch if there are injuries.
I'm not gonna' lie, I really think Case is a better long-term option at QB than Beck...so I hate the idea of (a) him getting claimed on waiver wire, and (b) getting signed off our PS even if he DID make it to our PS. Shanny in Washington would looooove to scoop a guy like Case form our PS since Case would know the ropes and be easier to transition in, in case something happened to RGIII.

However it works out is how it works. I just want to see 3 QBs on game day, that's all. I prefer Case, but at this point I'll take whatever we get.
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Also, the Redskins cut Beck during the 5th round of the draft,

They picked Kirk Cousins in the 4th.

Let's say Cousins goes down with an injury, would they be more likely to give Beck a call or Keenum (if both are available)?
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I'm not gonna' lie, I really think Case is a better long-term option at QB than Beck...so I hate the idea of (a) him getting claimed on waiver wire, and (b) getting signed off our PS even if he DID make it to our PS. Shanny in Washington would looooove to scoop a guy like Case form our PS since Case would know the ropes and be easier to transition in, in case something happened to RGIII.

However it works out is how it works. I just want to see 3 QBs on game day, that's all. I prefer Case, but at this point I'll take whatever we get.
GP, why would Shanihan do that after drafting RGIII in the first and then taking Kirk Cousins in the 4th and still has Rexy?

Edit: 76 beat me to it...
I dun't fear him plucking Case Keenum in the least.

Not gonna happen.
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Default Re: Your opening day 53 man roster prediction.

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Originally Posted by 76Texan View Post
Also, the Redskins cut Beck during the 5th round of the draft,

They picked Kirk Cousins in the 4th.

Let's say Cousins goes down with an injury, would they be more likely to give Beck a call or Keenum (if both are available)?
I would think Beck just due to his experience in their system. If you need a backup midseason, you don't want to go with an UDFA with no NFL experience. Although, that may change as we see more of Keenum in preseason, word is he will be playing a lot more in game 2.
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