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Old 08-14-2012   #201
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It depends on whether the player is a vested veteran or not but it's effectively the same thing for the team getting rid of the player.

For the player, it's a very different thing. If you're a vested veteran and you're cut, you're free to sign with whoever you want. If you're not a vested veteran and you're cut, teams can place a claim on you. The teams get priority based on their previous year's record. So a player gets cut and a 2-14 team and a 14-2 team places a claim on him, the 2-14 team gets the player.
To add on to what TPN said - a cut player negotiates a new contract with any new team. A team taking a player off waivers is taking their old contract as well.
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The right side of our offensive line was terrible in pass protection. Butler got beat several times and allowed QB hits. Brown looked great in contrast. We really need to figure out what to do at RT, because it looked like the weak link on the line that game.
I have to disagree. I don't see this.
Butler played pretty solid.
Also, Caldwell played the whole first half and did well.

Overall, the first and second strings did well.

I hope they continue to hold up.
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I have to disagree. I don't see this.
Butler played pretty solid.
Also, Caldwell played the whole first half and did well.

Overall, the first and second strings did well.

I hope they continue to hold up.
I initially thought Butler was not good, but there were only 2 plays that he wasn't good on and it had all to do with technique on those plays. Very correctable things for someone who played live football for the first time in almost 2 years.
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The right side of our offensive line was terrible in pass protection. Butler got beat several times and allowed QB hits. Brown looked great in contrast. We really need to figure out what to do at RT, because it looked like the weak link on the line that game.
On Schaub's INT ..... It was Brown who got beat and allowed Schaub to get hit.
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On Schaub's INT ..... It was Brown who got beat and allowed Schaub to get hit.
I saw something different on that play. Generally on blitz pickup, which there was the players are taught to pickup the biggest or closest threat and so Brown took the inside man. It looked to just be a failure on Schaub for not recognizing the blitz, Foster who was in the backfield, or the line as a whole for not sliding protection. But if Brown picks up the outside man on that play then the player he was blocking would have gotten the sack.

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On Schaub's INT ..... It was Brown who got beat and allowed Schaub to get hit.
On that play, Brown was blocking his guy but he didn't see the CB blitz and the CB hit Schaub, but Derek Newton got destroyed by the linemen he was blocking and he hit Schaub as well.
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I saw something different on that play. Generally on blitz pickup, which there was the players are taught to pickup the biggest or closest threat and so Brown took the inside man. It looked to just be a failure on Schaub for not recognizing the blitz, Foster who was in the backfield, or the line as a whole for not sliding protection. But if Brown picks up the outside man on that play then the player he was blocking would have gotten the sack.
That's exactly right. Brown was engaged with their RDE, and when Schaub was sandwiched by the Panthers blitzing CB and LDE, there was definitely daylight between the man Brown picked up and Schaub.

Their LDE beat Newton, and their blitzing CB ended up coming outside of Brown and was untouched.
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No one likes interceptions, but one preseason play does not make an evaluation. Focus on the OL, don't watch the ball, there were plenty of coachable moments and much to be intrigued by.

This week's game will be a test for the OL.
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No one likes interceptions, but one preseason play does not make an evaluation. Focus on the OL, don't watch the ball, there were plenty of coachable moments and much to be intrigued by.

This week's game will be a test for the OL.
EDIT: Wow, you had already visited it before I had posted this! LOL.

Check out my screenshot breakdown (it's brief, not typical GP novel length!) in a thread I started.

Butler's blown cut/low block on 3rd and goal on our first drive cost us a TD to Owen Daniels. Not sure if he should have risked that type of block, but he went for it...failed miserably...and it cost us 6 points.

Everyone did their job on that play, except Butler.
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Butler's blown cut/low block on 3rd and goal on our first drive cost us a TD to Owen Daniels. Not sure if he should have risked that type of block, but he went for it...failed miserably...and it cost us 6 points.

Everyone did their job on that play, except Butler.
Already saw it, and repped it.
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I'm going to draw up another 3-shot sequence that shows the previous play...a 2nd and goal from the Panthers 2-yard-line.
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No one likes interceptions, but one preseason play does not make an evaluation. Focus on the OL, don't watch the ball, there were plenty of coachable moments and much to be intrigued by.

This week's game will be a test for the OL.
Do you remember last year when we played the 9'ers in preseason? I came away from that game thinking they were in contention to get Andrew Luck.
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A guy that played pretty solid was 97 Mitch King.
He lined up at 43 DT, 34 DE, and NT (as a replacement for Cody).

He's still a long shot to make the team, but we should keep an eye on him.
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And, BTW, the MO barely made any play for us (mostly Alexander.)
It was pretty much all the MIKE that was in on the action.
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A guy that played pretty solid was 97 Mitch King.
He lined up at 43 DT, 34 DE, and NT (as a replacement for Cody).

He's still a long shot to make the team, but we should keep an eye on him.
Thanks. I was trying to find out who it was. I saw 97 and could not get a name. Here is an 2009 article on his being signed by Titans:

Good athlete... Great timed speed... Was very productive... Relentless with a non-stop motor... Does a nice job of getting off blocks... Is versatile... Good strength... Extremely aggressive... Plays with a nasty demeanor... Intense and competitive... Has a lot of experience against top competitionů A hard worker and team leader with elite intangibles.

Lots more here: http://nashvillecitypaper.com/conten...ives-tennessee
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I've been studying Keenum's play and I must say he did everything I can ask for a rookie in his first game.

First off, let's go to the incompletion.
Some people think it was nerve and that he thre behind the receiver.
I'm not sure of that.

Watch this demonstration by Hine Ward:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQdluYWJuek

Notice how Ward came straight back (on the same line) while Posier squared off his route as if he was running a square in.

Slow the video down, and you can see that Keenum threw the ball just as Posier put on the break.
It was a timing route, for sure.

And while the route can be run at a 45 degree angle (coming back) - Posier didn'd do that either.

But certainly, one can see that Keenum threw the ball to the spot where a receiver that runs a straight come back can find the ball; ie, a yard or two outside the numbers (on the line of the route).

At worse case scenario, if Posier had run the route at a 45 degree angle, he would still have a shot at catching the ball.
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The screen pass, GP had romanticized it enough, I don't need to go into detail.

At the gut of it, Keenum made a half-pump to a receiver in the middle right, just enough to freeze the LB to give Grimes the open space.

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The bootleg was made possible by an excellent faked hand-off in play action.

Notice that the SAM (lining on the LOS) was completely fooled; he went after the RB (pursuing in the backfield) without a single look at the QB.

This helped misguiding the second-level defenders and gave the crosser (Iglesias) plenty of room in the middle.
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Keenum's footwork out of the snap is very good, especially for a guy who had not play much under center.

He know (or if you prefer, can feel) where the pressure comes from and acts on it accordingly.
He stepped up when he should; he pulled it back when he should; he protected the ball when he knew he needed to just take the loss.

He understands clock management and knows where he is on the field:
The slide inbound at the 34 yd line, keeping the clock running, while retaining FG position.

(Note - On this play, Meggett ran too far away for Keenum to attempt a faked hand-off; the unblocked DE simply chased after Keenum.)
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Every word out of Gary's mouth about Case has been positive. I hope Keenum has a good game tonight.
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