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Old 05-26-2005   #81
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Well, now that sounds promising doesn't it? I'm sure this guy will do a very good job backing up Seth Wand if it comes to that. Someone is probably going to pony up "stupid money" for him though because he's a LT and so many people need one. I hope it's not the Texans. I hope if the Texans sign him (which I am not opposed to by the way because I see him as an improvement over Spears) I hope they do it for a reasonable "quality depth" type of contract.
Did you really think Green is going to tell the media he is great? I'm not saying he is the second coming off Bruce Matthews, but it's unlikely a coach is going to pump up a guy he just cut. Wouldn't exactly make him look like a brainicac. If he signs, he signs as a starter, unless Wand can beat him out. Unlikely imo. I really don't think it's even that close. Shelton starts at LT if he signs imho.
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****Cardinals coach Dennis Green stressed Thursday there was a simple reason why he decided to cut offensive lineman L.J. Shelton.
Shelton simply didnít produce.
"I deal in results," Green said. "I donít think many people around here are used to dealing in results.
"I came here in 2004, I saw in four (home) games, there were less than 25,000 people in the stands. Somebody has to be accountable for that. People are not going to see you play unless you accept the responsibility of putting a winning team on the field. Thatís what I always do."
Green reiterated he thought the line was the teamís most underachieving unit when he took over last year. After cutting both Shelton and tackle Anthony Clement over the past couple of weeks, four of the teamís five offensive line starters from 2003 are no longer with the team.
The lone player remaining, tackle Leonard Davis, also got a subtle admonition from Green.
We hope Leonard Davis accepts the challenge that he be as good as (Pro Bowlers) Walter Jones and Orlando Pace because he had that kind of promise coming out, he was drafted in that kind of position and he has that kind of potential," Green said.
Green deflected questions asking him to assess his line depth. But he left no doubt that changes are possible.
"We started it last year and we are into it again this year and we will probably continue it next year," Green said. "Itís nothing personal against Shelton or Clement or anybody else. Itís just part of what you have to do if you are going to be a winning football team."
If he gets rid of everyone that does not produce, half of that team needs to be cut, they have won 15 games in 3 seasons...
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I don't think that review of Wand is accurate at all. His feet and stance have consistantly been lauded. It is his technique and formerly his strength which have been questioned.
Exactly. The guy is very athletic and has excellect footwork, but was initially
nearly anemic for such a big man. I remember from the combine, his 225 lb reps # was downright embarrising - some DBs had more reps than him! And regarding his technique, he came from a podunck college in the middle of nowhere that played other podunk colleges, so he had minimul training on technique and even if he did, had no top talent or real matchups to play against to improve his skills. He went from that experience to playing man-o-mano against the best pass rusher in the league twice last year. This guy has the classic profile of a late bloomer, its just that this team has other
and higher priorities than waiting for his maturation process to be completed.
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Did you really think Green is going to tell the media he is great? I'm not saying he is the second coming off Bruce Matthews, but it's unlikely a coach is going to pump up a guy he just cut. Wouldn't exactly make him look like a brainicac. If he signs, he signs as a starter, unless Wand can beat him out. Unlikely imo. I really don't think it's even that close. Shelton starts at LT if he signs imho.
Wish the season was here so we could see what's going to happen. If he signs we've got to remember this when a starter is named.
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I personally think the Cardinals are going to be one of the surprise teams in the NFL. I think Dennis Green is taking them towards the right direction.
Neither would I be to quick to pile on another franchise. Remember how everyone was just saying we could mail in our opener here in Reliant last year against the Chargers ? I seemed to recall them having a descent season, actually quite a bit better than ours. We have a ways to go befrore we've earned our bones. And I also think Green is a damn good coach which has got to help there chances.
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ESPN info of Shelton's visit...

"This is a great organization. I like what I see so far," Shelton said during a tour of the Texans' facilities. "I have to weigh all my options. I'm kind of waiting to see what happens."

"I'm not expecting to come in and start," Shelton said. "But I'm looking for an opportunity to compete."

He went through an almost hour-long workout Thursday morning, then spent the rest of the day visiting with team officials and doctors.

"I've never seen anything like this," Shelton said of the team's facilities. "This is a first-class organization."


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Here's an espn.com article about Shelton's visit...No place like...Houston? Texans Impress Shelton
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Its a fact that Shelton has athletic ability, plus his technique is going to be a decade ahead of Wand, since he's been a starter at left tackle a lot longer.

The fact is Shelton is a better LT than Wand.........if you want to dispute that, go ahead....bring in some more of your "pre-draft analysis" on WAND to tell me I'm wrong, unfortunately that stuff was written a couple of years ago guys. Wand was was drafted in 2003, so you need to catch up to the times. He's hit the weight room since then, give me a break.

We're talking about who's better in 2005, not who's better in 2003.
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Wish the season was here so we could see what's going to happen. If he signs we've got to remember this when a starter is named.
Well, one of us will be eating crow if he signs. I prefer mine seasoned with go to hell, and lightly grilled. You might want to baste it with a healthy dousing of you don't have a clue. A side order of shut the **** up is always tasty as well.
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Did you really think Green is going to tell the media he is great? I'm not saying he is the second coming off Bruce Matthews, but it's unlikely a coach is going to pump up a guy he just cut. Wouldn't exactly make him look like a brainicac. If he signs, he signs as a starter, unless Wand can beat him out. Unlikely imo. I really don't think it's even that close. Shelton starts at LT if he signs imho.
If we do sign someone (anyone) who was cut by another team and that person starts for us (at LT no less!!) then that pretty much shoots down those on this board who have been mouthing the Texans' party line like parrots and saying that our O-line is just fine and dandy now that we have another year together, have new blocking schemes, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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From Seth Wand's draft profile on NFL.com (infantrycak provided link):

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That's picking up stunts & twists at the NCAA Division II level. Because at the NFL level, Wand has been terrible on stunts & twists. In his rookie year, Wand "blocked" Greg Randall on a stunt & the Colts' Raheem Brock took out Carr for 2 weeks. Last year against the Jets, Eric Barton went untouched by Wand on a stunt, and nearly decapitated Carr. I guess things happen a little quicker in the NFL than they do in Division II.

As far as the physical metrics go, Wand seems to have what it takes. He's got the size, the arm length, the foot speed...Wand has the tools. But he is so far behind in instincts & technique that Seth seems to play robotic. He's thinking & not reacting. That's not Wand's fault, he's just way behind the curve. Some think it's only a matter of time before Wand begins to adjust and become a NFL LT. Some think he just doesn't have what it takes to become a blindside blocker. Some think the emperor's clothes are marvelous, simply marvelous. What matters is what the Texans think. And at LT, it looks like they're going in a direction away from Wand.
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If we do sign someone (anyone) who was cut by another team and that person starts for us (at LT no less!!) then that pretty much shoots down those on this board who have been mouthing the Texans' party line like parrots and saying that our O-line is just fine and dandy now that we have another year together, have new blocking schemes, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
I am one of those guys who said another year together instead of signing anyone who had LT on his resume....Exactly, what quality, hold it, even solid LT have the Texans ignored. My comments have been largely based on not bringing in a guy to bring in a body who is only better than Wand because his name is not Wand.

Shelton is a solid player, not great, not special, solid. Would he upgrade Seth Wand? Probably. Does his potential signing make Houston a quality NFL O-line without improvement in protection schemes and the play of the other members? No.
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How much longer before the season gets here? :brickwall
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I been saying that for months now lol...
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Texans | Shelton Enjoys Visit - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 26 May 2005 14:43:25 -0700

The Associated Press reports free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) wrapped up a two-visit with the Houston Texans on Thursday, May 26. "This is a great organization," Shelton said during a tour of the Texans' facilities. "I like what I see so far. I have to weigh all my options. I'm kind of waiting to see what happens." Shelton went through an almost hour-long workout Thursday morning, then spent the rest of the day visiting with team officials and doctors.
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I am one of those guys who said another year together instead of signing anyone who had LT on his resume....Exactly, what quality, hold it, even solid LT have the Texans ignored. My comments have been largely based on not bringing in a guy to bring in a body who is only better than Wand because his name is not Wand.

Shelton is a solid player, not great, not special, solid. Would he upgrade Seth Wand? Probably. Does his potential signing make Houston a quality NFL O-line without improvement in protection schemes and the play of the other members? No.
That is exactly how I feel about it. Couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't.
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I don't think our O-Line is going to be "fixed" by throwing in someone that the Card's let go. I'm not completely happy with swapping up Pitts and Wand either. However, we are, for all intents and purposes, stuck between a rock and a hard place. The 2005 draft was not very strong or deep in the LT position. Should we have wasted a pick on someone that might end up like Shelton? Or do we wait, hope that the guys we have can work something out between them for one more year? I say patience is our best virtue here. Yes, we need to protect David. We are working on ways to do this with what we have. I have faith in our team. Things are coming together.
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The guy is talented, he was just stuck on a dead on team. Some people were saying stuff about T-Mac like "Why does Orlando want to trade him..." and what not. Well, you saw how moving to a good franchise affected him. I'll say the same for Shelton. Playing for a first class organization with actual fans can do wonders for a players morale.
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Is Boselli still available?



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We ought to start an "all-useless" Texan team.

Boselli, Joppru....whom else?

(don't get me wrong...I'm a HUGE Texan fan...just trying make light of a frustrating situation)
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