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Old 05-24-2005   #21
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My only comment is based on what we have seen, and that is, we would love to be able to replace McKinney to. He seems to be the delta or the mouth of the river for the kill the QB guys.

You got that right.
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In that case Mckinney could get challenged for his spot in the future or this TC if the rookie proves to be worthy. I think we see a different McKinney this season. This has pretty much been the first time the organization has put someone directly behind him in TC.
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I agree about McKinney, but I don't see anything being done about it this year. Perhaps in 2006, we will "go for youth" at C.
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All this talk has us looking pretty good though if we get Shelton.
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hasnt mckninney been there the longest at the same position. Everyones else has changed spots...
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-- Bears to Host Shelton Today --
Tue May 24, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

The Chicago Sun-Times reports the Bears will host veteran free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) today. If the Bears sign him, they could move him to guard and allow him to battle with ORG Terrence Metcalf and ORG Roberto Garza. After the Bears, Shelton will visit with Kansas City, Jacksonville and Houston. The Texans probably offer the only opportunity to start at his position of choice, left tackle. Shelton's work ethic has been questioned at times, but the Bears could have a good read on him. He is represented by the same firm that handles Bears OT John Tait, OG Ruben Brown and OT Qasim Mitchell.
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If we could have a stable LT it would do wonders for our line. Shelton prefers LT, and hopefully Casserly is smart enough to sign him and not just be bringing him in to make it look like he's trying.
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any competition is better than none ! Plus the guy dont look to be to bad of a line men !
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this would be a sweet pick!C.C. just needs to do this!!!!
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man mckinney is good and with hogden as back up we even better plus man with shelton pitts and wade i have faith but we need to get rid of weigert i dont have much faith in him
the second you said mckinney is good the rest of your post had no merit, on what planet, of what universe is mckinney good, at anything? no wait he is good at one thing, being a doormat... and weigert is not our problem on the Line, Mckinney and Wand are our current problem... and we havent signed Shelton, so how can you have faith in him
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the second you said mckinney is good the rest of your post had no merit, on what planet, of what universe is mckinney good, at anything? no wait he is good at one thing, being a doormat... and weigert is not our problem on the Line, Mckinney and Wand are our current problem... and we havent signed Shelton, so how can you have faith in him
Sacks allowed by our O line last season...


M.Brown - 1.75
S.McKinney - 4.00
C.Pitts - 6.00
T.Wade - 6.00
S.Wand - 12.50
T.Washington- 1.00
Z.Wiegert - 4.50
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Sacks allowed by our O line last season...


M.Brown - 1.75
S.McKinney - 4.00
C.Pitts - 6.00
T.Wade - 6.00
S.Wand - 12.50
T.Washington- 1.00
Z.Wiegert - 4.50
Yes and most will say others got the sacks, but McKinney was the reason why. He was really the responsible party in many cases, but doesn't get them based on what happened.
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The only person on that list with a considerable number of sacks is Wand, are you saying McKinney was responsible for Wand's 12.5 sacks allowed? I could understand McKinney being responsible for some of the guard's sacks, but the left tackle's sacks?
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-- Bears to Host Shelton Today --
Tue May 24, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

The Chicago Sun-Times reports the Bears will host veteran free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) today. If the Bears sign him, they could move him to guard and allow him to battle with ORG Terrence Metcalf and ORG Roberto Garza. After the Bears, Shelton will visit with Kansas City, Jacksonville and Houston. The Texans probably offer the only opportunity to start at his position of choice, left tackle. Shelton's work ethic has been questioned at times, but the Bears could have a good read on him. He is represented by the same firm that handles Bears OT John Tait, OG Ruben Brown and OT Qasim Mitchell.
I think that is why the Texans might have a better shot at getting him than the other teams. He probably would rather get less money and start than get more money to be a back up because he probably wants to go out there and prove everyone that he is a good player. I read article after article about him, and I just keep hoping more and more that we will make a move because we have the cap space to go out and give him a good offer.
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Sacks allowed by our O line last season...


M.Brown - 1.75
S.McKinney - 4.00
C.Pitts - 6.00
T.Wade - 6.00
S.Wand - 12.50
T.Washington- 1.00
Z.Wiegert - 4.50
Does that add up to 49?. I know Carr didn't run out of bounds that many times.
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The only person on that list with a considerable number of sacks is Wand, are you saying McKinney was responsible for Wand's 12.5 sacks allowed? I could understand McKinney being responsible for some of the guard's sacks, but the left tackle's sacks?
To an extent. McKinney was one of the reasons that Wand had that many. Wand did get burnt by Freeney in the 2nd game against the Colts. However, at least a few of Wands sacks were due to McKinney getting blown back in to Carr's face forcing him out of the pocket and into the path of the DE that was being blocked by Wand or Wade. McKinney's guy only made the sack 4 times, but in actuality, McKinney was the cause of several other sacks.
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To an extent. McKinney was one of the reasons that Wand had that many. Wand did get burnt by Freeney in the 2nd game against the Colts. However, at least a few of Wands sacks were due to McKinney getting blown back in to Carr's face forcing him out of the pocket and into the path of the DE that was being blocked by Wand or Wade. McKinney's guy only made the sack 4 times, but in actuality, McKinney was the cause of several other sacks.
Well if Carr was forced to roll to his left because of McKinney getting plowed over, what does that say about the right side of the line?
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Well if Carr was forced to roll to his left because of McKinney getting plowed over, what does that say about the right side of the line?
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Meaning both sides. But, the majority of the time Carr did go left. It is a natural reaction for a right-handed QB to go to his left, because he is moving away from what he sees coming from the direction he is facing.
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Why would Carr roll out to the side where the most pressure comes from most of the time? And it is not a natural reaction for a right handed QB to roll to his left. Do you know how hard it is for a right handed QB to throw the ball across his body while rolling to his left?
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Why would Carr roll out to the side where the most pressure comes from most of the time? And it is not a natural reaction for a right handed QB to roll to his left. Do you know how hard it is for a right handed QB to throw the ball across his body while rolling to his left?
Have you played QB? Think about it...if you see pressure coming, isn't your first reaction going to be to go the other way? If pressure comes up the middle and he has room to run to the right he will, but in a normal pocket, the two OT's try to push their guys wide to give the QB a "pocket" to step up into. If the middle holds up, and the OT pushes his guy past the QB the QB has a choice, but if the middle collapses before the RT can push his guy past, the QB's first reaction is to go to the left because he knows right off that he can't get anywhere going right. Even though the QB faces the same problem on the left, he doesn't know it until he turns to start running that way. In so doing, he runs right into the path of the oncoming DE or LB. Hopefully, I was clear enough for you to understand what I am trying to say. If not, I don't know what else I can possibly say to make you understand.
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